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US patent on flight planning
This story has appeared in various places.
Avweb Example of somebody getting hit The Patent also here It's an appalling example of abuse of the patent process, but this is unfortunately common these days, since (a) most patents are not novel but are contrived variations of old ideas and (b) not every patent examiner has a proper brain. |
Well, the bad news is that it can cost $50k to defend a frivolous patent assertion, much more if your opponent has deep pockets. As a result, small companies may simply pay up.
That said... This particular patent looks to have weaknesses:
However, small companies will probably just pay up. |
The whole issue of granting patents for software is one that has rumbled on for years. It is difficult to see how an infringement action would succeed if the process has been in existence before the application for the patent. Merely having a patent does not guarantee that it is enforceable and a court could declare it not valid in an enforcement action.
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A patent that is blatently unenforceable, and which should never have been issued. Anyone affected should form a group with others, to reject the claim/s, and employ a good attorney who can explain in a court of law, in clear, unambiguous terms, the precise meaning of "prior art". :ugh:
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Presumably it passed the "Machine-or-transformation" test in the minds of the USPTO for them to grant it.
However, the independent claims are quite long and involving a number of complex steps. I would have thought it possible to find a work-around that doesn't infringe. There must be plenty of prior-art systems that will limit the interpretation the claims. A patent that is blatently unenforceable, and which should never have been issued. Anyone affected should form a group with others, to reject the claim/s, and employ a good attorney who can explain in a court of law, in clear, unambiguous terms, the precise meaning of "prior art". Or, as I said earlier, don't bother to invalidate it. Simply modify your software (if necessary) so that it doesn't match all the tightly-defined steps in the patent. That might well be possible, given the complexity of the patent claims. |
I don't understand the detail of how this works, but believe you will find this is a divisional of a patent filed in 2001 (so the art must be prior to 2001). For reference, Google acquired the technology for Google maps in 2005. As such, there may be very little prior art in serving composite raster maps with data overlay at 2001.
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Thankfully most of the rest world recognises US patents for the bull!!!! they are and ignores them
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Thankfully most of the rest world recognises US patents for the bull!!!! they are and ignores them mm_flynn is right to point out what I overlooked, that this is a continuation patent, which means it has a priority date in 2001 in this case. In other words, it needs to be novel at that point. However, the patent claim looks to be fairly narrow and precise, and at first glance I would have thought it might be possible for other systems to avoid infringing it without losing functionality. |
The US patent system is purpose designed as a restraint of trade system. "If we didn't invent it we'll pretend we did and then you lot can't operate in our territory."
Elsewhere you can't patent software because by definition a computer program isn't an invention, however you can copyright software under certain circumstances and that's not unreasonable. |
"As such, there may be very little prior art in serving composite raster maps with data overlay at 2001".
I remember going to a lecture back in the early '90s about how mapping of underground services was being improved by overlaying gas, electricity, water, etc. details over maps so conflicts could be seen. Was so advanced at that time that the power company was able to identify 'at risk' properties such as those occupied by people with dialysis, heart machines and so on. Not the same theme but still using the same basic premise. Not that this will affect the patent lawyers of course. How they can justify some of the patents issued is way beyond me. |
I have long lost count of the patents I have seen (in the UK) which were utter bollox, on prior art.
However it is impossible for patent examiners to know everything. |
Ils sont fou, les Américains.
Rare jongens, die Amerikaanders. |
I was genuinely shocked to see that Runway Finder was the subject of this hostile action. I've flown many 000's of miles under the beneign guidance of this superb site and look forward with dismay to going back to clunky old fashioned alternatives like the AOPA (US) offering.
Runway Finder was a genuine contribution to flight safety, allowing simple, intuitive visualisation of a route and alternates. Last minute modifications to accomodate actual weather, TFR's and other variables could be made with confidence and actual conditions and airport data were always available in an instant. Runway Finder encapsulated everything that we should strive for in UK flight planning in our vastly more complex and hostile skies. At least the US action won't be directly effective here. A Runway Finder in UK would reduce infringement and all types of weather related accidents, saving lives and waste of public money. A person can dream, I suppose. PS the site's still there as I write. If you havn't seen it, do look before it's too late. It takes seconds to learn. RunwayFinder - Aeronautical Charts - Flight Planning. PPS. Edited to say that the site now says that preliminary agreement has been made and that it will remain online. I surely hope so! |
@I0540
If you are not acquainted with the very complex matter that patents and patent law is, as for example this statement amply demonstrates: (a) most patents are not novel but are contrived variations of old ideas (b) not every patent examiner has a proper brain |
I think it is also a mistake to use this to take a swipe at the Americans.
Patent law is broadly similar around the world. Companies (and not just US companies) are more agressive in pursuing patent assertions in the US, but that is partly because the potential royalties or damages are higher in the US, as it's the world's richest single market (Europe is still somewhat fragmented for patent assertion). It is true that US patent law has some absurdities such as "continuing patent applications", which can allow someone to add things to a patent that they (or even someone else) invented after the original patent was filed (as in this case). The US Patent Office tried to change the rules to limit this process, but it was GlaxoSmithKline - a British Company - that took the USPTO to court, and got an injunction stopping them preventing GSK and others extending their patents almost indefinitely. |
On a different way of thinking:
I had - very reluctantly - come to accept that most pilots, round here at least, seem to prefer paying for services that ought to be available for free, IMHO. Now if commercial companies, offering good service at prices acceptable to many, are pestered out of economically viable operation, won't this only strengthen the demand for fully free and open services? |
Originally Posted by Jan Olieslagers
(Post 6116721)
... Now if commercial companies, offering good service at prices acceptable to many, are pestered out of economically viable operation, won't this only strengthen the demand for fully free and open services?
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EDMJ - clearly I must file my next patent in Germany :) Perhaps you can write a more heavyweight contribution to knowledge, since you are a specialist in this field.
My specialisation is electronics and the vast majority of patents I have seen in that field are indeed contrived variations of existing stuff, and some have been clear prior art which the examiner evidently didn't spot. There is even a big website listing loads of bogus patents like that - most duff due to prior art which the examiner failed to spot. I recall NASA filing one well known such patent. As stated above, the solution is to "Simply modify your software (if necessary) so that it doesn't match all the tightly-defined steps in the patent". The catch there is that you could be some way in marketing your product before the other person's patent application is discovered, and then they've got you over a bit of a barrel. The fact that you can get around the issue by a small change is only a partial help. A standard practice is also to file a patent and then keep amending it (I don't recall the exact terminology) so you can stick "patent pending" or "patent applied for XXXX" (with the application number) on your product for a number of years, and this keeps a lot of would-be (amateur) competitors at bay. I did this back in 1991 with a product I designed. The patent was eventually chucked out, a few years later :) Today, I wouldn't bother. But such nuisance patents continue to come out. I am sure this company will be able to do a modification which gets around it. |
Quote: Originally Posted by Jan Olieslagers http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/viewpost.gif ... Now if commercial companies, offering good service at prices acceptable to many, are pestered out of economically viable operation, won't this only strengthen the demand for fully free and open services? It requires a very generous person to provide a service for free if they must licence the underlying technology! |
Originally Posted by mm_flynn
(Post 6116077)
there may be very little prior art in serving composite raster maps with data overlay at 2001.
Serving raster maps with data overlay since 1994 :) |
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