Private Privileges
 

Is it true that UK professional licence holders can again have their private privileges revalidated automatically on passing a type rating revalidation ?.

Could someone advise which AIC covers this and by the by which hero managed to prize this concession out of the JAA morass ?.

Not sure exactly what you mean: are you implying your professional licence is lapsed? Most PPL types don't have type ratings anyway.

Assuming you have a type that requires a type rating, you need to do a Licence Proficiency Check (JAA speak for C of T) and have done 2 hours in the proceeding 12 months (includes test). Up to 5 years from last validity date, the examiner (TRE for a type) can do this plus any other training he deems necessary. More than 5 years, the CAA need to determine requirements, normally ground school plus further training.

You will obviously need a valid medical too. However, this combination gives you a valid professional licence.. so what's the question all about?

It's too late to root around for AICs!

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Another day in paradise

Thanks for the reply.

Is the 2hrs in preceeding 12mths you mention only for aircraft which require type ratings or is that for SE land in general as well ?.

Currently working on foreign (non JAA) licence but UK ATPL remains valid inc medical + IR.

MY understanding was that since JAA, private privileges were subject to the same deal as PPls. E.G. for simplicity - S.E. Land is valid with 12 hrs in 2 yrs plus a satis handling check every 2 yrs. They were still arguing about what constituted a satis check the last time I read anything about it.

Previously- pre JAA, Group A was valid provided 1 flight in a Group A aircraft in preceeding 13 mths and professional licence current ie C of T valid.

So if I want to borrow a 172 or similar do I have to do 12 hrs in a S.E. Land and or a check with a UK F.I. or will they accept my C of T (LHS B747) plus an hour in a light single and let me get on with it--- subject to a satis checkout by the renting organisation--- which I can`t argue with cos its their aeroplane.

My problems are :-
a) Can I avoid paying for someone to check my basic ability in the name of the CAA when this is already done routinely at work ? and-
b) Can I avoid flying around for 12 hours to keep some perceived currency on light aeroplanes ?.

Fundamentally I think I should be able to take a light single away subject to a checkout provided I`m in current professional practice---- can I now do this ?.

[This message has been edited by Gary Halliday (edited 08 January 2001).]

Gary - no matter what your licence, you need a 'Single Engine Piston Class Rating' on your FCL150 in your licence. To keep this valid, you do indeed need to do either 12 hours SEP flying in the second year of the Rating PLUS a 'dual flight with an instructor'. However, any other routine check will suffice for the 'dual flight', so that you could meet this requirement with an OPC for your day job (assuming that it's a JAR OPC). But even if your OPC suffices, if you haven't flown 12 hours SEP in the second 12 months of the Rating, then you'll need to revalidate your rating with a Proficiency Check on a SEP Class aeroplane - the usual steep turns, stallling, PFL, circuits - with a Flight Examiner.
Regards to Bill Dodds!!

Thanks BEagle,

Then its as I feared, I`d got a mistaken impression that the OPC (what`s the O for ?) concession overrode the 12 hr or LPC bit.

Another angle I was thinking of was using the National Licence when it comes out but this is still going to be subject to the LPC and maybe 5 hrs.

Yet another approach could be to use the foreign licences` private privileges and validity (same as pre JAA UK), but I believe this is governed by more JAA interpretation instead of the straightforward old ANO 21 (4). Its difficult to check as I don`t know anyone who can afford a copy of JAR FCL.

Its all nearly as daft as having to maintain 3 instrument ratings, 1 for work ( done to pre JAA UK standards ), 1 for weekend gun running with Bill (UK multi crew) and 1 for taking the family to Alderney in a Seneca (UK single crew).

Is it unreasonable to want to circumvent these duplications ?. I`ve already said its reasonable to require a check before someone rents you an aeroplane.

Gary Halliday

JAR-FCL is online at http://www.jaa.nl/jar/jar/toc0577.htm

Just to emphasise that the 12 hours in previous 24 months can be substituted by LPC with a CRE and 2 hours in previous 12 months. Much cheaper.

The O in OPC is Operators (Proficiency Check), it's JARspeak for base check. ie the LPC replaces the Schedule 8 stuff and the OPC the Schedule 10 stuff.

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Another day in paradise

Holders of a non JAA licence can fly a G resistered aircraft day VFR without any paperwork or checkout. Don't understand it myself but someone at the CAA must.

TooHotToFly,

I`m just checking that out thanks to Cahlibahns` post --- thanks.

212man,

That`s also helpful and as you say cheaper.I`ll now check the admissibility of a non JAA base check. I left a UK operator just before the change to JAR OPS so schedules 8+10 still ruled. Even then private privileges on professional licences were sometimes misunderstood. I should really learn the JAR stuff in case I ever come back to work here.

Gazza