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Roffa 1st August 2010 14:10

LV,


I doubt ATC will see turning a PA28 in at 6 miles as sub-standard. I'm sure they have genuine reasons and given the location, I guess flow has something to do with it, including departures.
Don't forget that, preferably as early in the vectoring process as possible, you are quite within your rights to ask for an "x mile final" where x is a range of your choice (without extracting the urine, of course).

pitot_noob 1st August 2010 15:24

Though asking for X mile final.. doesn't mean they will give it to you :)

Local Variation 1st August 2010 19:03

Roffa,

Fair point. Thanks.

chevvron 2nd August 2010 10:33

The 'period of stabilsed flight' (ie established on LLZ) prior to glidepath intercept varies with aircraft category and closing heading and is a UK CAA and ICAO requirement. I admit I'm a bit out of it now but in my recollection it is a minimum of 2nm.
No UK ILS procedure is authorised for glidepath intercept from above and if it happens to you, then report it to CAA or CHIRP.

IO540 2nd August 2010 10:45

In GA, I think a lot of the above-GS intercepts happen because one is given a descent to the platform and then the final (base leg) vector arrives very soon after. To make the platform altitude before reaching the localiser, one may need to descend at 1000fpm or more, but one is not going to be doing that because say -500fpm was plenty fast enough while on the previous vector, and it is only the final vector which makes the current ROD too small, but it is too late to do much about it (except do a little "DIY" heading adjustment to intercept the LOC a bit further out). I can straight away recall 2 occassions where this obviously happened.


No UK ILS procedure is authorised for glidepath intercept from above
So, chevvron, given that you and Roffa are both ATC, how does one reconcile this?


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