Reciting PUF on the aircraft I fly on can result in some crew resource management problems!

How about:

Fly a proper sized circuit, rather than a tour of the locality whilst your instructor tells you what a tw@t you have been. The bigger the circuit, the more words, therefore the bigger the tw@t...!

Stick to the correct circuit height.

Join the circuit correctly, not on an 8nm straight in approach and then cut everyone up who has bothered to do it correctly.

Dont descend to 100ft 5 miles out and then hedge hop to short finals. Whatever happened to a well judged glideslope?

Dont land 3/4 of the way down the runway. The numbers are there to aim at!

After landing on a grass runway, dont just wander aimlessly down the runway looking for a turn off if there isnt one. Think of all those behind you...

Dont fly over the noise sensitive village on crosswind leg , even when the AIP says not to. Just modify your circuit join procedure...

Join the circuit correctly, not on an 8nm straight in approach and then cut everyone up who has bothered to do it correctly.

Please enlighten us how joining on long finals is incorrect

By the way runway numbers are to mark a runways orientation not for the purpose of providing an aiming point.

Depends on the runway. At EGPD, landing 3/4 of the way down (on 16) is quite a good plan unless you want a very long taxi down the runway to the club ramp being told pointedly to expedite as the easyjet on final gets a little bigger in the rear view.

...and nosewheels are to stop the propeller from hitting the ground, but since when has that prevented countless numbers of people from using them as a pivot point on landing?

Sorry LlanfairPG, my tongue in cheek humour must have gone straight over your head. Unfortunately, there is no icon to use..:rolleyes::ugh:

Your right it has and still dosnt supply an answer

so what concensus we coming to then?

lets tell the pre-solo students to just "have fun" and if they get into trouble, remember, "its only a single"

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remember the original poster is pre-solo, and we're telling him/her to just forget the checks, have some fun, lay it on the ground with your eyes closed since its "just a single"..

ayee. :ugh:

No one said forget the checks

LLanfairpg......how many other eyes glazed over when you mentioned the Trident.
Saying how many hours you have logged without being asked is akin to boasting about the size of your wallet.
Personally I let my attitude with students both on a Pa28 and a B747 be my judge.Good luck to Gemma at EGSL,she has a great professional attitude.
Llanfair...you sound very irritated...not because the BAFC at WAP has ben sold I hope.
chill out!!

GEMMA, don't let the posts making comparisons with airliner checklists demean what you are trying to do. Of course airliner checklists are more simple, they act mainly as a back up where systems warnings wouldn't occur or if they did they'd cause issues like a rejected take off or go around (expensive and potentially embarrassing but not necessarily killers).

On the Boeing 767, the basic factory "before take off" checklist is simply Flaps & Strobes. Everything else is taken care of by warning systems if you miss something. Of course such a warning would be threatening to one's career path so SOP's (standard operating procedures) exist to make sure everything's covered before you take off or land. Often that includes an extended company generated checklist. On a light plane, you're not covered by sophisticated systems, so do as much (or little) as you need to make sure you land safely and are not going to be embarrassed by anything.

For GA flying, I've made up my own laminated checklists, based on the POH as a reference but in a sensible order, either a clockwise/anticlockwise scan, or related to phase of flight (eg not putting the prop to fine downwind and being a noisy neighbour etc).

Good luck with the rest of your course.

When I come to Undercarriage, I give a visual check too! ( i am on fixed undercarriage) you know just to make sure they haven't fallen off at some point! Thats looking out the window right? :}


Im just kidding! :-P Pprune always makes me laugh! Love it!

LLanfairpg......how many other eyes glazed over when you mentioned the Trident.

Yes it was a lovely aircraft

Saying how many hours you have logged without being asked is akin to boasting about the size of your wallet.

Gosh I never knew that, no wonder I keep my wallet in the garage. Hours are a bit like boasting about the size of aircraft you fly too I suppose?

Personally I let my attitude with students both on a Pa28 and a B747 be my judge.Good luck to Gemma at EGSL,she has a great professional attitude.

Yes you do sound so wonderful and its great that you cabin crew instruct in your spare time

Llanfair...you sound very irritated...not because the BAFC at WAP has ben sold I hope.

I dont actually know what BAFC at WAP means but I am sure you do. I never suffer from irritation apart from the occasional bout of Rangoon crutch. Ben on the other hand is a charity I support and they do great Christmas cards

chill out!!

Oh I am and thanks for the opportunity for a laugh.

PS mines a coffee, white no sugar!

While I was 'chilling out' (and still laughing) I found the website address for BEN

It is a charity for people who have worked in the motor trade

Lovely cards if you are a classic petrol head

http://www.ben.org.uk/shop/index.php...&products_id=4

BAFC is just British Airways Flying Club.

:)

TC

Oh I see he thinks I fly for XX, Christ I can feel a large dose of Rangoon crutch coming on!

I was talking to a friend of mine who has gone to fly with a certain airline at LHR. I said I notice most of your guys pull up to the Cat 3 hold at Heathrow even in VMC and some of our guys are doing it too, has there been a change I do not know about?

Quick as you like he came back with;

"No its just that we have a larger percentage of wxxxxxrs in xxxx than you have!":O

PS hey I am important Ive got lots of flap!

well people are implying cutting them down to like three items.

There seem to be three schools of thought.

1 Lengthy checks as in the handling notes are OK

2. Only checks appropriate to type are acceptable

3. Only checks appropriate to type and situation are acceptable

You will never get everyone to agree which is correct or which is better.

All I can say is I have tried and taught all three methods and I prefer circuit checks which allow the minimum distraction and maximum heads outside.

I modified my views after watching students struggling with checks and radio calls when I felt they should be looking outside or concentrating on mentally noting the radio calls made by other aircraft.

llanfair..what is your problem with cabin crew giving Instruction.Is this a sign of your mysogonistic attitude to your female crew and why you are so negative to G-emma?? I think we all know you like looking out by now!!

This is the only sensible answer.

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All I can say is I have tried and taught all three methods and I prefer circuit checks which allow the minimum distraction and maximum heads outside.

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Excessively long check lists in simple training aircraft are not only degrading safety in the circuit it is screwing the student by making for unnecessary work.

Hey Big Flaps instead of trying to make everything personal and provoke a school girl argument why dont you try to just comment on the thread.

PS I do not have a problem with anyone giving instruction, including you!

By the way have a look at this

Post from Flap 80 on the Flight Deck Forum


But on this thread Flap 80 said


Hey Flap 80 seems you practice double standards or is it just that you are a hypocrite or perhaps those Big Flaps have gone to your head?