Mmmm, I liked to read that.

Sadly I dont know where it is.

http://forums.flyer.co.uk/viewtopic....34463&start=45.

I hope that works.

It would have worked, but the offending post has been removed ;)

Not by the poster, but by a moderator.

Moderators: +1 :D
Poster: -1 :hmm:

Thanks Whirls.

Is that allowed - cross posting from anothe place?

However, I just loved it as a piece of English.

PS Wished I had known there was something offensive - I could have cross posted that as well - I wonder whether the moderators would have got together.

Again, ftaod, that wasn't the post I was referring to :8

Gerard's a Good Guy and used to post here a lot until some unpleasantness about Sudan, pilots and donations came up...:O

The offending post and one that referred to it have both been removed.

I know, I didnt realise there was something offensive anyway, and it is a shame that should have been so - it wouldnt happen in this place :).

Gerard's post caught my eye - and it is a good piece of prose.

Aye - and all the stuff he posted on the Flyer forum about me, the trainee nuns and the goats....is, well, true....what can I say? :E

Tis as Keef says; things wax and whane.

First got into on-line aviation banter via the Flyer List and when that took a nosedive came over here.

Great times were had with and I learned a lot, both about aviation and on line communities.

Tried the Flyer Forums at about the same time but their format at the time and the amount of trolls made that unbearable. That got addressed and the lack of people hiding behind aliases does make for better postings and less flaming, as does the fact that people have been meeting up a lot more frequently than the odd bash.

Some say that makes it more cliquey. Think that is a bit of a misnomer as all are welcome.

'Left' Proon at the same time as Gerard as I thought that episode was handled particularly bad by the powers that were. Later had a spat with one of the mods on here (not BRL) and unhappy to have ads next to my name on the medical and health forum which seems to be an unmoveable issue so stopped posting on there.

Pop back every now and then and have a look. At times some interesting threads.

But overall not enough impetus to hang about anymore.

It's a bit like your favourite restaurant.

After some time the menu changes, as does the staff and the clientele so you move on.

If you think that's bad, should see your ad here! :} crewdating.com

Cheers

Whirls

Maybe PPRuNe is a smidge more 'grown up', with all the good AND bad that implies?
And not sure how 'grown up':hmm: I want to be anyway....

Pompey Paul has it right in my opinion.

I respect the right of "newbies" to participate in our industry, and am willing to reply to help them. Sometimes, though, I'd like to have a better idea of the quality of origin of the comment or question. I chose this place to read and reply because it is called "Professional". I trust that those who use this forum, who are in the earliest phases of being professional, are at least trying to act that way.... You don't have to be employed as a pilot to have a professional attitude toward flying, and conducting yourself with other aviation people.

What if this forum also included a information item for each participant: "Hours flown PIC in the last year". At least we'd know who was flying and writing, and who was just writing...

I read less and less on pprune lately, because there is just enough bunk here to put me off. I have a limited time for such participation, and intend to use it wisely.

Cheers professionals, Pilot DAR

Not sure the above description of me is accurate, but never mind. I try to write bits which have a bit of substance on subjects which I think (hope) I know a bit about. I have no problems with people flying say rag and tube types - why should I ? But I know about IFR so I write about IFR. I would be a complete plonker to write about aerobatics, wouldn't I ?

That piece comes from a practicing barrister (a nice chap as far as I can tell) whose work includes aviation law, and I genuinely wish that he would spend as much time dealing with the aviation law matters that surface regularly (and get discussed, generally in a useless and inconclusive manner, by amateur brain surgeons and wishful thinkers) as he spends on banter. We have too few people willing to put in the time to write up a detailed answer - see below.

I avoid writing one-liners since they rarely convey any useful information and (given that all web-based forums are terribly inefficient to read, compared to Usenet) they just take up space and IMHO are a prime reason for driving out others who might otherwise have been willing to write up something worth reading. The content which I dislike most about certain forums is nearly always in the form of idiotic one-liners. If somebody has an opinion and takes the time to write something with more than 10 words, then at least it can be discussed. It doesn't matter that I might not agree with it; that's what discussion is about.

One can't have a forum which is a chatty place without it getting cliquey, not to mention a few other things, and then anybody who has anything worthwhile to say will clear off - because most people with useful knowledge tend to also have a life and can't be bothered to live in virtual worlds. I have on occassions used some other more specialised forums (one aircraft type specific, one car type specific as I drive an unusual imported car and had to mess around with the fuel injection, and others for specific types of IT equipment which would have otherwise been unsupported) and most have gone the same way at times. Even the aircraft type specific one, which one would have expected to be rather dry, has had its fair share of aggressive idiots.

The Private Flying forum almost never got started because of comments like that. A fair number of people thought that PPRuNe was the place for Professional pilots and wannabees, not PPLs. It was then argued that "professional" was an attitude....anyway, we got the forum. :ok: But that means anyone can comment, including those with little or no experience. Personally, I think that's as it should be. There are enough forums on PPRuNe anyway - you can read the professional training one (whatever it's called) or Instructors, or whatever. We don't need yet more split-offs!

As for knowing the experience level of the posters, try looking at their profiles. Some are recently joined, and/or don't fill them in, and I tend to view their posts with...caution, maybe...and sometimes suspicion. But a fair number of people do fill them in, and that'll give you quite a good idea.

Anyway, it happens in flying clubs too; it's just life. I remember a low hours student explaining to me quite patronisingly (after all, I'm a woman, so he just knew I wouldn't understand these things) why the minimum solo pilot weight in an R22 couldn't possibly be HIGHER when you had full fuel including the auxiliary tank. (It is; it's due to centre of gravity issues, not all-up weight). Then someone dropped by and happened to ask if I'd sorted out doing my instructor's course yet...you should have seen the chap's face. :):D

Heroes of PFA, farmstrip flying - the best in aviation and some other people.

That's what the strapline for this forum says.

I think the description of this forum is quite silly. "Heroes of PFA" ??????

“Heroes of PFA" ??????”

You IFR types got something against the PFA

Rod1:E

You IFR types got something against the PFA

That's another amazing leap of deduction, which totally escapes me :ugh:

The phrase "Heroes of PFA, farmstrip flying - the best in aviation and some other people" is not even proper English.

A much more appropriate name for the forum would be something around "private pilots, covering all powered categories from ultralight to IFR"; that covers more or less everybody.

The glider community has their own forums.

The corporate pilots, and above, also have their own forums here which are quite different by nature and there appears to be virtually no overlap in the interests of these, and private pilots.

Have you tried here?

http://forums.flyer.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=5

Aha ! A thread I can get behind . As a PPL cum budding atpl I regularly look at both the pro training and private flying forums . I think IMHO that there is far more brown runny smelly stuff posted in the pro forums than there ever is here . In the main most stuff here , especially questions is genuine and asked by genuine people . Yes you are always going to get a number of answers and opinions , I think Bruce Lee (not a noted aviator but still) said it best "Absorb what is useful " he based an entire scrapping system on that premise. Everyone here has something to give even if it just inane and ridiculous banter (That be me then) . The biggest pains in the asses I find are the time served manipulators and masters of the long thin tube . There seem to be many who are here to drag down and belittle those less experienced than themselves , be it knowledge professors or the ridiculous spelling and grammar police , why dont you Fxxk Orf . Sorry
At the end of the day where I fly from there are many instructors and pilots who also fly airliners this in my view makes the two inextricably linked , do these people consider themselves pro pilots or private flying types and which forum do they frequent ?
I personally love the silliness and banter that some threads conjur up and enjoy the fact that if I have a silly question I can ask it , then sit back and watch the debate unfold
I dont think however that putting hours and experience is such a good idea , you will always then get the My dads bigger than yours argument . I mean who is better to speak to a newbie and offer advice on flying a cessna 150 an airbus man with 3000hrs who last sat in one 15 yrs ago or a 200hr ppl who flys ten hours a month in one ??? I know which of them would think , sorry know he was in a better position to say
Gemma good luck tmrw all will be well , solo by the weekend then is it ? and the answer is C

Gemma, nobody is suggesting that newbies should not post here. If anybody suggested that, it would be a perversion of what somebody else wrote - a bit like one person saying "a GPS is a good thing" and then another person twisting that around into "you should keep your eyes out of the cockpit and not inside it".

The original debate was over people posting meaningless dross, especially one-liners containing no meaning, and personal attacks, all of which are pointless and drive good people away.