Sorry folks, you have gotten me all confused. In PPrunes ideal to support Groups are we still saying that a direct Group share sale notice is not allowed. If this is the case (which I am happy to accept if them's the rules) can I run a thread discussing the availablibilty of shares in a group and requesting interest in such a share ??

Big J

A few people have commented about having an unmoderated for sale forum.

That sounds like a very good idea and rightly so.

However (and I am very happy to be corrected) in these litigeous politically correct times I dont think it is that simple. If you are the people putting up the forum you shoulder some of the liabilit whatever disclaimers you may publish.

For example, someone may advertise DC headsets when infact they are not - that is trademark violation and it would be up to the owners of the site to do something about it.

Unmoderated forums on which any one can post just dont work - and sadly you would be surprised what some would post.

Using up valuable server bandwidth which most of us would prefer used to support the non-sales side of the forum?

BRL thanks for the explanation. I totaly understand your point about traders and agents. Like I said I am happy to not be allowed to advertise. I just failed to undertand how it is different to sell a share or the whole thing.

As far as people harping on about how they don't want to read sales adds blah blah blah.....then don't. It is so simple. I guess you already only read posts that are of interest to you.

And the reason for name calling would be??? You're level of maturity or lack of?

gcolyer - i'm completely immature! nothing personal, and don't worry about it, I certainly don't!

However, do go to the flyer forum, it has a similar sized audience and a forum specifically for your needs.

I also think there is a difference between advertising a group share and an aeroplane as a complete unit. I can't think of a decent analogy, but the concept of one being an advert for a membership in a club that promotes grass roots aviation and other being a commercial "thing" seems to be pretty spot on .

Sum up:

We chose not to have commercial ads within forums. There is a snowballing copycat effect. Same thing applies to charity ads for exactly the same reason. It poisons our signal to noise ratio.

We chose to offer space on the forum for group aircraft for exactly the same reasons. Publicity, snowballing to create copycats.

See? Absolutely consistent reasons.:E :E

Behind the secenes all mods have the prime commandment drummed into them.

Keep me and Danny out of court and maintain the signal to noise ratio.

PPRuNe is a very attractive venue for cheapskate advertisers because readers are here voluntarily in large numbers. However, because they are here of their own free will we won't have 'editorial' polluted. Other than the originator of this thread the only people pissing us off at the moment are those jumping on the bandwagon to promote commercial places and events.

As demonstrated BRL has some flexibility and leeway for what he considers the greater good. He also has the option to adopt one aviation based charity for regular publicity on the forum as our thanks for all the work he puts in. However, he will give short shrift to those who register and never contribute anything to PPRuNe other than to publicise a single venue or event.

Regards
Rob

Hmmm
 

Good suggestion but what if the person who wants something similar to what the person is selling is using PPRuNe, and he doesn't visit the Flyer forum?

Whats wrong with the classified, any person with an ounce of common sense would ask to view the aircraft before they buy. Sure it may cost you a trip but may save you tens of thousands by just simply inspecting the plane. You go to by a PA-28, you get a C-150, buy a twin, get a single I understand that it's of concern but go inspect the darn thing.

If Flyer can do it then why not PPRuNe? (I see a few 'mod material' people here so the lack of mods is fixable)

nano - Because the people that set up, run, and own PPRuNe don't want it that way. That's entirely their decision to make, and we should respect that!

wot he said:}

Content - not commercials.

We may or may not be right. Those viewing with clever business heads on will not understand this but might like to read on.

Danny and I fly Boeings for a living. We don't want to wear suits. Our people don't want to meet your people and a power breakfast consists of reheating last night's ruby. We like running PPRuNe and we like aeroplanes. We are also naturally inquisitive - nosy if you like.

Only 2 forums earn money for us. We don't care - we subsidise the rest, including this one, 100%. We don't care. We didn't care when we got 3000 users in a month, we don't care now just about to hit 3000 users per 5 minutes.

We say no ads and we pay the bills not you. We said no ads 10 years ago and we still say it today. We want forums with content and we bar those, like the Kemble aeros mob who try to cross the line into advertorial.

Again, for the business hot shots - we grow at 30% per annum through this policy and have never borrowed a penny. It may not be how you'd do it but you are welcome to get stuck in and do the job properly elsewhere. You can have a go at the unmoderated sales forum at the same time.

PPRuNe ploughs it's own furrow that's all.

rob

PPRuNe ploughs it's own furrow that's all.

Well said Rob ... and it has been known to do acts of tremendous public good, e.g. a certain paedophile being banged up.

Quality.

Is there an article anywhere about this?

:hmm:

'Pprune ploughs its own furrow.'

Saruman from the lofty heights of Orthanc could not have put it better!

But my goodness, that takes one back to the days of pretty maids in hay fields on an English summer's evening. Certainly not something one would wish to advertise in a small rural community, mind you!

Good for Pprune!:D

No problem with the link Airbus,

Brought back a lot of memories of a difficult, lonely and worrying period for us at the Towers. A hint of anger as well - not for those who remained Guvnor groupies - but going through 3 police forces before any serious notice was taken of us.

Like I said - we plough our own furrow. Suits us and the 50,000 people a day who visit.

Regards again,
Rob

And some of us have been visiting just about every day for years. :ok: So we must like the furrow you're plowing, even if we feel like having a moan now and then...just to keep you on your toes, you understand. ;) Keep it like it is, Rob, change not required.