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Under it, round it or throughit?
Ok, so you plan a (VFR) flight between Sherburn and Leicester. The track takes you through D class airspace to the east of Castle Donnington, (sorry, EMA, sorry, Nottingham East Midlands) airport.
Do you fly under it (<1500'), round it, or get those ATC boys working and plough on through it? |
For me there would be two factors.
1. The weather. 2. Whether or not I wanted to avoid any delays. Class D clearances are usually readily forthcoming. However, if you end up holding, or are refused a clearance, it will have been quicker to route round - often considerably so. Routing under may be unattractive in poor weather - do you want to be in a small corridor with everyone else or skirting the zone in the same conditions. In these circumstances a clearance through, under the protection of a radar service, provides some light relief from worrying as much about who you might run into. (Edited to say that my comments apply generally to class D, with some class D controllers you can almost guarantee a clearance). |
Always through it. It is just as much our airspace as the chav transporters and East Midlands are amongst the most helpfull guys out there.
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Provided that you are willing to be a bit flexible if needed then no reason that you would be refused transit, I cannot remember the last time I could not get someone through the eastern stub unless the R/T was almost unreadable!
if we have inbounds ie on 27 then normally vfr not above 2000 will be OK routing wymeswold or just east I will run the ILS traffic across the top and descend clear with traffic info-if WX is less than good then down the M1 just east of the field is another way through-the point being that you may have to accept a height limitation or restrictive route(hopefully not both!) plent of people at sherburn do it on a regular basis |
Through it
I often fly Plymouth to Humberside to visit the rellies (5.5 hrs each way in the car becomes a more tolerable 1.4 hrs in the air).
Brm and E.Mids are usually very accomodating. East Mids may ask you to route E of the motorway or Shepshed-Long Eaton so be aware of VRPs. Sounding slick on the radio may also ease your transit.;) SB |
Flying from Netherthorpe, I have traversed EMA on quite a few occasions, and yes I find then to be most accommodating, provided I had a transponder. In my earlier Jodelling days (OK it's a few years ago, now) I was usually requested to go around/under their airspace.
Especially on PFA rally Sunday evening - fair enough - the sky was thick with non transponder traffic heading home northwards!! |
Agreed EMA are very helpful. Though I had an uncomfortable 5 minutes in IMC when Brize had dumped me but EMA couldn't hear my radio transmissions. As soon as they could, they gave me RIS and a zone transit (IFR) in no time; but I was without a radar service for a bit, which is against our club rules.
And they were fine (VFR much lower) on the way back. The only thing they asked for was a change of level each time - not exactly taxing. Tim |
Originally Posted by tmmorris
(Post 2942126)
Agreed EMA are very helpful. Though I had an uncomfortable 5 minutes in IMC when Brize had dumped me but EMA couldn't hear my radio transmissions. As soon as they could, they gave me RIS and a zone transit (IFR) in no time; but I was without a radar service for a bit, which is against our club rules.
And they were fine (VFR much lower) on the way back. The only thing they asked for was a change of level each time - not exactly taxing. Tim |
Radar service required at all times while IMC. Not, of course, always feasible.
Does the title of this thread make anyone else think 'We're going on a bear hunt...' or is it just me? Tim |
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