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Import Costs
How much tax and duty is applied when important an aircraft from the States?
Say for example a B200 Kingair? Thanks |
VAT is 17.5%....only the stupid pay duty.
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Correct, there is no import duty on aircraft or aircraft parts.
It may be worth going via Denmark for something more expensive. This provides a low (no?) VAT route to gaining free circulation in the EU. There are companies set up to administer this, and you have to offset against the registration/certification costs of doing the extra transfer. May be worth it for something like a Kingair. |
Originally Posted by Mark 1
(Post 2941715)
Correct, there is no import duty on aircraft or aircraft parts.
It may be worth going via Denmark for something more expensive. This provides a low (no?) VAT route to gaining free circulation in the EU. There are companies set up to administer this, and you have to offset against the registration/certification costs of doing the extra transfer. May be worth it for something like a Kingair. Thanks |
j32/41 send me a pm if you want to know more about the denmark route...i've done it twice recently.
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Originally Posted by nouseforaname
(Post 2941988)
j32/41 send me a pm if you want to know more about the denmark route...i've done it twice recently.
Ok done. Thanks J32 |
Originally Posted by Mark 1
(Post 2941715)
Correct, there is no import duty on aircraft or aircraft parts.
The Danish route is not VAT-free....the VAT (on used aircraft) is 0%. It is not, however, fee free. If you are doing it this way, use a reputable lawyer. |
The Denmark route costs a few grand (or more) only because of the ripoff merchants who position themselves in a business which offers this service.
If you knew somebody who lives there, and trust them to buy the plane and then sell it to you, there is no reason why it should cost anything. Same with US trusts for N-reg. If you know somebody who is a US citizen, they can own the plane and rent it to you, or just let you fly it. No trust documents or fees required. The trust arrangements are required only because most aircraft owners don't know anybody who is a US citizen and who can be trusted :) |
VAT
Presumably if the aircraft was imported from the US for business use, you could claim the VAt back anyway.
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There's a new simplified procedure for bypassing the import duty for occasional importers.
You use form C100 from the HMC&R website when clearing it through the UK. Only relevant for direct to the UK, so wouldn't apply to the Danish option. Handy though, if you're buying spares from the US. |
Don't you also need an End User Certificate, Mark 1 ?
Yes you can claim back the VAT if the aircraft is used in a business, but the issues are similar (though less stringent) to the Benefit in Kind ones I referred to elsewhere. HMCE (or HMRC as they now are, but I mean the VAT man) will want to see a business plan, etc. The problem is that if there is any significant amount of private use, the private user ends up being charged VAT, which makes the whole thing 17.5% more expensive. |
You need to be careful with the Danish route. I've heard of two people who paid one of the rip off merchants for this, but because their aircraft routed via the UK without the necessary paperwork / bond in place they've since had to cough up the VAT as well !!
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Originally Posted by IO540
(Post 2944034)
Don't you also need an End User Certificate, Mark 1 ?.
I recently got some bits released using C100 - very straightforward. Still had to pay the VAT though.:hmm: |
Originally Posted by ifonly
(Post 2944043)
You need to be careful with the Danish route. I've heard of two people who paid one of the rip off merchants for this, but because their aircraft routed via the UK without the necessary paperwork / bond in place they've since had to cough up the VAT as well !!
HMR&C checks inbound aircraft from Denmark against their import records. On the forums there is plenty of info on what you can and can not do. Some right, some misleading, some historic, and some totally wrong. If you do this you want it done with a pro company who has professional liability insurance you can claim against if they have not advised you properly. |
Can you really claim against anybody if HMRC do you for VAT? After all, it is a manoeuver with no commercial basis and as such HMRC have the theoretical power to set it aside. I would guess they might try that if the eventual owner was in some way involved or connected with the aircraft before finally purchasing it from the Danish owner.
I wonder if there is any way to do this: you are a UK based ltd co., VAT registered, own a plane, and you wish to sell the plane to a customer who isn't VAT registered, and do it such that he doesn't have to pay the 17.5% extra. Is it possible to sell the plane to a Danish owner (being in the EU, and assuming this Danish owner supplies a VAT number, this sales invoice would not as per standard export practice have VAT on it) and have the new owner buy it from the Danish chap? I have no use for this myself but I am curious. There are currently, in effect, two separate aircraft markets: (1) those for VAT registered customers, and (2) those for non VAT registered customers. If you are a VAT registered company and want to sell your plane, you are not likely to attract many customers in (2) because they will pay the 17.5% extra and won't be able to get it back. |
Originally Posted by IO540
(Post 2945150)
Can you really claim against anybody if HMRC do you for VAT? After all, it is a manoeuver with no commercial basis and as such HMRC have the theoretical power to set it aside.
The same logic goes for Denmark, you have arrived in the EU there you are now going to fly it around Europe at random (place it in Free Circulation) you are obligated to declare and pay VAT (which through rules I don't understand means that for some owning entities are at 0% VAT for used aircraft). On your second point, I doubt it would work and certainly it would be worth HMR&C's time to lean heavily on those involved. My point on liability insurance is - The cost of screwing up a complicated import process can be high, if you have used a professional advisor and followed his advice, yet the advice was wrong, you have a chance of recovering legal costs and penalties. Obviously you wouldn't expect PLI to pay the VAT as you would clearly owe it. |
If you routed via Wick then technically that would be the point of entry into the EU and it should be declared. It could possibly go on a transhipment to Denmark but this would involve paperwork and the lodging of a 'bond' for the VAT involved. I know a lot of aircraft go via Wick but it doesn't appear to be a designated airport so should it really be used ?
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Excuse my ignorance, but can't one fly via a place which is not in the EU (Jersey?) and then direct to Denmark?
Might be a problem if coming from the USA, via Iceland. One needs a pretty decent range to do Iceland-Jersey... |
Originally Posted by ifonly
(Post 2945703)
If you routed via Wick then technically that would be the point of entry into the EU and it should be declared. It could possibly go on a transhipment to Denmark but this would involve paperwork and the lodging of a 'bond' for the VAT involved. I know a lot of aircraft go via Wick but it doesn't appear to be a designated airport so should it really be used ?
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