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Complex / Twin rating
Hello All,
If I’m going to get myself a complex rating, and a twin rating, can I combine the two and do both at the same time, or do I have to get a complex in a single first? Ta very much GD |
to fly "complex" airplanes does not require an additional rating - you just need differences training.
to fly multis however means you do need an MEP rating. Most twins are also complex, so you will probably find the MEP rating easier if you already have some complex hours - but no reason why the differences training and the MEP cannot be combined. |
Sounds like you are doing the FAA training. The complex is only a sign off in your log book which you will get from your instructor. Getting the multi without an instrument is pretty much a waste of time, you won't be able to rent a twin from anywhere unless you have instrument.
The multi test is good fun enjoy. TD |
Just in case nouse is wrong and you're not doing FAA but JAA then disregard his comments about renting. I rented a twin quite happily in the UK with an IMC rating, from the club where I did my rating.
But as others have said - yes, complex is just a sign of in your logbook, multi is a rating in its own right. I found no great problem moving straight from non-complex (PA28/C172) onto complex twins (PA34). |
I'm guessing that if you do the ME first you should get an automatic signoff for the Complex. You won't gain much doing the Complex first I don't think......You'd be better off paying for a couple of extra hours in the twin.
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There is no such thing as a complex rating or sign-off under JAA.
Sign offs are required for: VP Props Retractable undercarriage Turbo/Supercharger Presurisation. all seperate items. In order to do the MEP Class rating test you must have 70hrs PIC in aeroplanes. |
Thank you for all your help. I didn’t realise that there was no ‘formal’ complex rating… I don’t know where I got that idea from! Anyway, you’ve been a big help to me so thanks.
GD Ps – Not doing the FAA training… I just posted here armed with the wrong information! |
Sign offs are required for: VP Props Retractable undercarriage Turbo/Supercharger Presurisation. Tailwheel! EA is right. If the aim is to go and fly twins forget about getting a complex/retract sign off in a single, do it in one go on the twin. |
From LASORS:
Differences Training requires both theoretical knowledge instruction and training on an aeroplane or appropriate training device. Familiarisation Training merely requires the acquisition of additional knowledge, relevant to the new type or variant. This may be achieved with the assistance of an instructor, another pilot experienced on type, or by self-study. Familiarisation Training is only sufficient where Differences Training is not required. It should be noted that when changing to different types, or variants of types, that fall within the single-pilot single-engine piston (SEP) class rating, the Differences Training is specifically required to encompass particular ‘complex’ features with which the new type or variant may be equipped. These features are:- Variable Pitch (VP) Propellers Retractable Undercarriage Turbo/Super-charged Engines Cabin Pressurisation Tail-Wheel However, these same features are also required to be the subject of Differences Training, when changing between types or variants that fall within the multi-engine piston (MEP) class rating or when qualifying for new variants within the same single-pilot type rating. Many pilots with a MEP class or type rating may only have had experience on SEP aeroplanes with Fixed pitch propellers. Where a Constant Speed Unit (CSU) is fitted to a ‘single’, some of the MEP training will be of value, but comparison should be made of the effect of the propeller, on performance and handling between types and variants within the SEP class. The handling of a non-feathering VP propeller, on a SEP aeroplane, during an emergency, may also be quite different from the technique used in a single pilot ME aeroplane. For example, not all VP propellers in SEP aeroplanes have counterweights in the hub, so the failsafe propeller pitch may be either fine or course, and the effect on glide performance, may vary considerably from type to type. Where Differences Training on a particular feature has been completed within the MEP class, these differences may be covered, for SEP aeroplanes, by Familiarisation. It is recommended, however, that some flying training be carried out on the SE type, to demonstrate these differences. |
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