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BEagle 20th September 2005 15:14

SLMG is a national rating, TMG is a JAR-FCL rating.

As you have never flown a motor glider, your SLMG rating will be well out of date. So, either:

1. Do the differences training on whatever the aircraft is and fly it on your SEP Class Rating (althought the hours won't count towards SEP revalidation requirements.

2. Take a TMG Class Rating LST, add a TMG Class Rating to your licence and then keep [b]both[/i] SEP and TMG ratings valid by flying hours on either to count for both. See LASORS:

[i]If the licence contains both SEP (Land) and TMG ratings, revalidation requirements of both classes may be satisfied by completing the requirements in EITHER a TMG or a SEP (Land) aeroplane (or a combination of both).

distaff_beancounter 20th September 2005 20:49

BEagle thanks for the reply.

I will probably go for your option (1)

I am not usually short of hours for SEP revalidation, so it would not matter if those in the motor glider did not count.

BUT, you say that the TMG is a JAA class rating.

As I only have a dear old 'for life' CAA PPL, I assume that I would have to pay a large cheque to the Belgrano to get a JAA PPL, just to have something to attach the TMG class rating to!

Thanks for clarifying all that for me - the advice system on this forum sure beats the CAA! :)

BEagle 20th September 2005 21:06

Nope - absolutely no need to change your lifetime CAA PPL for a 5 year JAR-FCL PPL. Don't even consider it!

You can add a TMG rating to your current licence; on top of whatever the Examiner might charge, the CAA fee would be £70.

0-8 21st September 2005 13:21

Thanks for all your input.

Well according to G-INFO it's classed as a fixed-wing landplane. I'd already emailed the CAA on Sunday and by the time they get back to me they'll probably have decided it's a microlight. : :rolleyes:

Genghis the Engineer 21st September 2005 13:33

To make it a microlight, you'd have to prove that the stalling speed, at MTOW, was below 35 kn CAS.

Given that there almost certainly is no such thing as an IAS.v.CAS curve in existence for a DR.9, and if there is, CAA PLD won't have a copy, I'm pretty certain that you're safe.

G

BEagle 21st September 2005 13:35

RTFP!

The D-9 has a MTOW of 320 kg and a stalling speed of 25 mph. It has a wing loading of 36 kg/m2.

Genghis the Engineer 21st September 2005 14:08

320kg does the job, the maximum MTOW for a single seat microlight is 300kg.

25 mph stall speed will almost certainly be indicated, not calibrated.

In my experience 36kg/m² probably means a stall speed around 35-40kn.

G

BEagle 21st September 2005 15:35

RTFP 2!

....or 390 kg for a single seat landplane for which an individual United Kingdom permit to fly or certificate of airworthiness was first in force prior to 1st January 2003.

shortstripper 21st September 2005 15:46

And if you're quoting historical fact ... fact is that back then a D9 was not classed as a microlight. Wasn't then and it isn't now. Why try to confuse the issue further?

SS

Genghis the Engineer 21st September 2005 15:50


....or 390 kg for a single seat landplane for which an individual United Kingdom permit to fly or certificate of airworthiness was first in force prior to 1st January 2003.
Not according to EASA, who do not recognise that definition within Annex 2. This is something currently troubling our own dear CAA who aren't quite sure what do do with such aeroplanes.

G

912ul 21st September 2005 17:41

For goodness sake girls.............................

G-INFO says that the aircraft he was looking to buy is a fixed wing landplane.

End of story


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