Flourescent Jackets
 

Does anyone know where the airline purchase the flourescent jackets used by Flight crew from?

Please excuse the spelling of flourescent as it is getting late ;)

Thanks

Jinkster

Jinkster,
Do you mean the type of thing that traffic officers wear rather than the waistcoats?
Try Greenham trading look in the Site construction section: Keep Safe EN 471 High Visibility Safety Clothing, they're fairly cheap as well ( They must be, they're an approved supplier to the cheapskates I work for) There are quite a few other places on the same lines. I think RS components do them as well. Try your local builders suppliers or work wear shop. :ok:

I bought a hi-vis tabard, not a proper flouresecent waterproof all-weather coat for £4.99 +VAT.

Whirly had some that she was selling to raise funds for her camel, so she might be able to help.

Strange this gets mentioned today, I noticed that NETTO have them, well they were advertising them for £15 on the leaflet they stuck through my letterbox last night.

Other places I'd look are places like Yoemans/Milletts/FAS.

A quick google on 'Work wear' brought up places such as http://www.kelticclothing.co.uk/ which do a range of stuff.

please note other clothing and work wear suppliers are available.

If you must have a high-visibility jacket (which I understand is now required at most UK aerodromes, more's the pity), you might as well spent a bit more and get one of Mustang's classic bomber jackets. At least it will keep you afloat and (relatively) warm, if you ever have to ditch.

Any ideas where to get one that says Flight crew printed on the back?

Jinkster

Personally I wear one of the Flyer Magazine ones ........... to cover someone elses a*se :)


Flyer Hi Viz Vests

Does it have to be yellow?. I can get hold of millions of orange ones with reflective strips on them if they are allowed, legal and free if anyone wants one. Simply get a black marker pen to go over our company logo and bob's your' uncle.

if they can be orange i would like one - i will of course give you something for the postage :)

Jinkster

You could try sewing four gold bars on the shoulders; would that work? :p

mmmmmmmm............ ORANGE!

You mean like this but fluorescent?


http://www.uniformfreak.com/uniforms/easyjet/easy14.jpg

The Briefing staff at Gloucestershire Airport are giving them away free to any visiting pilots who don't have them

Here it is..............

http://www.btinternet.com/~paul.evans28/IMAG0002.JPG

Not too bad really. :)

Single-handedly BRL sets rail safety back 15 years :)

Only kidding mate!

SD

Visited Lydd today for lunch, was delighted to see the following sign on the door as I went back to my aircraft (precise words may be slightly wrong)...

"Warning - anybody except for aircrew must wear a hi-visibility jacket past this door".


A reasonable compromise I thought :cool:

G

Aircrew expendable then?? :D :cool:

Do some airfields insist on ALL passengers also wearing hi-viz jackets? My home airfield (Gamston) says as long as pax walk across the ramp to the aircraft with the pilot (i.e. me) and I'm wearing a hi-viz vest, that's sufficient.

If some airfields insist that all persons on the ramp need a hi-viz vest, then I'll need three more, in which case please can I take you up on the kind offer of some freebies BRL? I'll gladly refund postage and the cost of a pint....

:ok:

Presumably they recognise that aircrew are aware that propellors bite.

The daft thing is that if you take the trouble to read the relevant CAP you will see that it is all about the danger of being run down by airside vehicles of the ground-based variety, which are generally very rare animals at most GA fields.

Aircraft are generally easily spotted by pedestrians as they are big, noisy, slow moving and have strobe lights and wings on them. People therefore tend not to get run over by them. Its the baggage tractor hurtling round the corner that's dangerous.

Mike

On both of my visits to Lydd i never bothered with the dusty high viz shoved in the very back of the a/c... didn't even see the sign or get a telling off. The students of the flying school at lydd have to wear them tho :ok: TBH i have never worn it...even southampton int. didnt say anything to me! A/c captains should be doing a constant lookout anyway......even when taxying.

[Sorry - have been away from PPRuNe for a few days, so am late replying!]
BRL - I've never seen it written anywhere, but I believe that the requirement is for the waistcoat to meet the requirements of EN471:1994, which I had always taken to define that the colour was fluorescent yellow. A quick Google advises me that the orange waistcoats also comply with EN471:1994, which surprises me; the average rail worker that I see in the EasyJet style waistcoat doesn't catch the eye anything like as well as the yellow waistcoats.

I have a 'mesh' style waistcoat to the same design (more comfortable / less smelly in summer!) as well as one of the standard style - one Jobsworth at Bournemouth once pointed out that the mesh was non-compliant with EN471 and that I should obtain one which was compliant!! :D

I've got a bright orange 'Gill' jacket

It has the added advantage that the fleece lining keeps me warm on aircraft checks on chilly mornings.

Also useful when you're on first lesson and the cabin heat hasn't had time to work!

But those orange tabards look excellent, I'd pay postage on one too......

Hi all. I will have a look and see how many are hanging around at work and post back here for whoever wants one. As I say it has our comapny logo on it on the front and that can easily be coloured in with a thick black marker pen.

As for them being not very visible I have to disagree. Often I have seen the police next to the track when something has happened or they are looking for someone(they wear both orange and the yellow/green ones) and the orange ones stand out miles better everytime. That of course is just my opinion and I am not saying at all that the green ones are no-good. Just basing it on my experience in all kinds of weather conditions, light etc.

ACW, you got off better than I did at Lydd, I had some t#t come and give me a 5 minute earbashing about how I could be run down by an aircraft for not wearing a day-glo!!!!!!

For those of you close to East London, a quick walk along Whitechapel Road (A11) may pay dividends. I got an EN compliant bomber style flourescent jacket (nicely padded too) in a little shop there for £25 (down from £35 normally). They were also selling waistcoats for £8 as well as yellow T Shirts with reflective bands ...

As Circuit Basher says, the standard for such jackets is contained in EN471:1994. This lays down the allowable colours and the width and placing of the reflective stripes. Both International Yellow and Rescue Orange (as they used to be known) are allowed.

Cursory inspection of the Mustang jackets website shows that they're not EN compliant (yet). (At least, that's my reading of what they say and in support of that view, there's no obvious sign of the flourescent stripes).

By the sound of it Pronto this is something that someone might be tempted to wear in the cockpit, which would not be a good idea.

The whole point of these jackets is that they are reflective and reflections on the inside of the windshield are exactly what you don't want.

If you do have to wear one it should be stowed when driving (aeroplane or car) which is I suspect why the traffic police put them on when they get out of the car rather than wearing them while driving.

On a lighthearted note I heard of a way in which they can cause accidents.

A friend works for the Vehicle Inspectorate and gets called out to investigate accidents. A truck had lost a wheel but was safely on the hard shoulder with a police car behind and traffic flowing freely past.

My friend stands in front of the truck in his fluorescent jacket to take a picture. Passing motorist sees someone yellow pointing a device in his direction, assumes it is a speed gun and james the brakes on. Multiple pile-up as several cars run into each other.

Exit friend, leaving police to sort out the mess.:O :O :O

Haven't seen the picture yet but I gather it has nicely captured the smoke emanating from the tyres.

Mike

Hi-Viz Jackets
 

As an "arm waver" we always wear one (for obvious reasons). In our little group of friends that do this everyone except my sister and I wear yellow. We wear orange.

This stemmed from our Air Cadet days when we all wore yellow and to make life easier for people those who want to know who was in charge we wore orange so they could be directed to either of us without problem.

It can get confusing at "our" fly-ins when all sorts of people are wearing a yellow H-V Vest....
And if the sun is low and behind you pilots struggle to see us... whatever the colour and size of bats!

Slightly off topic....
It surprises me that anyone can arm wave with no real training. We won't let anyone unless we've trained them up and are happy that they be safe and sound. If anyone becomes dangerous then off they come! (and refreshed if required)
Oh in case you are wondering I have been doing this arm waving lark in my spare time for 15+ years at various events (including PFA Rallies) and my sister has about 10 years experience.

OAW

There's a joke in there, somewhere ;)

BS

BS

Probably very true but she didn't get the name Boudica for nothing!!!!:ok: :E

OAW

OAW

LOL :D

I should add that you are a rare breed and we do appreciate what you do at fly-ins.

BS

I was told when I worked on railway property that the reason why railway workers are required to wear dayglo orange waistcoats is something to do with confusing the flourescent yellow jackets (or green to some people) with the green of the railway signals. Stoopid I know but believed to be correct!
:confused:

"Oh look! There's a green railway signal walking across the track. Must roll towards it..."

When was the last time you heard of an aircraft taxiing into someone ??? :confused:

I think it more likely that people walk into aircraft ... !?! (perhaps the aircraft should wear them)

I can understand at large(r) airports (dispatch/baggage handlers etc) with jets and the possibility of sucking someone through an engine if getting to close !

:hmm: :E

A Railway Engineer friend of mine told me that he has to wear an orange jacket when down on the track and a yellow jacket when up on a bridge. He can't wear one jacket that is half orange/half yellow because that combination is reserved for the person in charge. When I did my aerodrome firefighter training, ONLY the person in charge was permitted to wear the combination jacket because that was what would identify him to the professional emergency services when they arrived on the scene.

OAW,
You are a brave man...;)
You're both a couple of great instructors in the art of A-W-ing,
keep up the good work:ok:

BS

Thanks... Nice to be appreciated. :ok:

Smithoag
Being nice will not lessen the impact when madam finds out that you laughed too!!!
:cool: :D

OAW

Colours on the railway track

'specially for Zlin526 and Tinstaafl

The colours "RED" and "GREEN" mean STOP and PROCEED to an engine/train driver, whether in a semaphore signal, a colour light signal or as a hand signal from the track side.

Thus the wearing of clothes in these colours is frowned upon by Railway Authorities worldwide and is covered in all Track Safety Courses that are now mandatory in said Authorities.

In fact the U.K., Australia and Malaysia use the same syllabus.

Yep, it's my business too :(

picks up anorak