Flying a Permit Aircraft on FAA Licence
I have someone wanting to buy a share in Permit Aircraft who has a FAA ppl. Although I understand from a CAA examiner that he can fly a Part 21 aircraft from any ICAO country, it seems impossible to get an answer from anyone for a LAA Permit aircraft. Several days of e mails and phone calls to the LAA and CAA have so far resulted in contradictory information followed by a confession that they don't know. I know that it used to be possible because we used to have a shareholder with a FAA licence and I have copies of letters from both parties confirming it. However, since our excursion into the EASA world, no-one seems to know anything. Personally, I can't see how arrangements under EASA can have any influence on the relationship between the FAA and the CAA which doesn't involve any kind of EASA rules.
I wondered if anybody here can help. |
Logically I cannot see that it makes any difference, if he holds an ICAO PPL licence, whether it is a Part-21 types or a Permit to fly aircraft. A UK PPL holder is given an exemption to fly a Microlite in the UK following a checkout from a Microlite instructor. Any issue, if one exists, will likely to be between an aircraft with a C of A and an aircraft with a C of A (Microlite). The source to find out is to contact directly the Department of Transport (General Aviation dept.). The CAA will need to ask them anyway but may takes weeks/months to respond.
The government to simplify things adopted the whole of EU (EASA) legislation into UK law with the aim to amend over time. The CAA/ Dept. of Transport is doing this but it will take time because of the complexity. The Dept. of Transport are in a better position to give an answer in the shortest time. |
ANO 2016, Article 150 says no problem.
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Thank you so much for two very helpful responses. That should help us to make some progress.
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A FAA licence does not include Radiotelephony privileges outside of mainland USA therefore to operate the radio in a UK registered aircraft the FAA licencesed pilot would need to hold either a FCC Restricted Radiotelephone Permit (FCC 605-FRC) validated by Article 150 or a UK issued FRTOL
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Permission is not quite automatic, the procedures are here - but yes, so far as I know, national and part 21 aeroplanes are treated identically.
G https://www.caa.co.uk/Commercial-ind...n-UK-airspace/ |
Thanks Genghis for the that link and to Whopity for the RT info. I have now sold my share (sad). This weekend is the first for 15 years without an aeroplane and what am I doing? Helping with the Permit renewal.
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Having convinced the potential buyer to buy a share in a Permit aircraft, the CAA have just stuck the boot in by declaring that UK residents will have to convert a FAA licence before the end of 2021.
Can anyone tell me what is the easiest route to convert a current FAA PPL? II believe that it used to be via a NPPL and then upgrade as required. |
If they have over 100hrs, it's two written exams (HPL and air law) and a skill test.
Page 596 of CAP 804: https://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33...015REFONLY.pdf Don't worry about the "for reference only" stamped on every page, CAA is still using this document as gospel. G |
Originally Posted by pulse1
(Post 11050997)
Having convinced the potential buyer to buy a share in a Permit aircraft, the CAA have just stuck the boot in by declaring that UK residents will have to convert a FAA licence before the end of 2021.
Unfortunately the ANO has been badly amended by SI 2019 No. 645 so that a licence granted or rendered valid under the Aircrew Regulation rather than the ANO is required to fly, in non-commercial operations, any aircraft registered elsewhere than in the UK when the operator resides or is established in the UK. ANO, Art 148(3)(c). A copy of CAP804 without the watermark is available on the UK National Archives website. https://webarchive.nationalarchives....searchable.pdf |
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