Well, one undoubted fact is that: "ignorance is bliss"
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Step 1. get medical
Step 2. pass theory Step 3. go flying whenever your wallet permits |
Flying is a skill - learned by practice and tested by examination to a required standard.
Why on earth do some people keep insisting that a PPL done over 8 months is somehow better/safer/ more desirable than one done over 4 weeks?! It's just flying a plane guys. Up/down/left/right and a bit of knowledge. You get tested and your logbook checked. They want to know how many hours you have because that's how we measure flying, no one cares how many hours you have sat on the ground. |
Originally Posted by Pilot DAR
(Post 10974436)
My experience in instructing has shown me that the instruction is like the flowing water, and the student is the sponge. It's the instructor's job to pour water onto the sponge only at a rate at which it's not flowing off, and running down uselessly. The student's job is to grow the sponge, so it can absorb more and more water, without wasting any. This means that the student arrives for the instruction with their sponge well wrung out of all of life's other distractions, and both ready to absorb, and, knowing how much it can absorb (having good questions).
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I obtained my PPL in 4 weeks at a school in Florida 10 years ago. The main reason I did it this way was my age, and that I didn't want to commit my weekends to the vagaries of the UK weather for up to twelve months. In the preceeding year, I did all of the exams I could, confirmed I could get a medical, and did half a dozen lessons in the UK. I got my licence in Florida, and I continue to learn to fly in the UK. On my return to the UK, I did another few lessons to get used to the USA/UK differences. I found I enjoyed the learning experience, so twelve months after my return, I carried on in the UK for my IMC.
On a practical level, one of the best things I did during the training was pal up with another couple of students I shared a house with, as we also shared our experiences. The School also allowed us to back seat on each others training, and it is amazing the amount you learn when you don't have to fly the aircraft at the same time. The 45 hours in my log book equated to at least double in my head. To the OP, if you wish to follow a blow by blow account of my training ( and you are an insomniac), I have left my blog of it online at new Website |
I was doing 2 flights a day of around 1 hour. And it still felt like I had too much time sat on the ground waiting! Whenever a new student requested that they flew say 4 hours per day I would always agree to it but with the advice that they were likely to become overwhelmed quite quickly In the vast majority of cases this happened and the student would cut back to the recommended two flights per day. Of course, different phases of the course require different approaches. The general handling elements can easily become overwhelming when covered intensively. The navigation exercises at 3-4 hours per day is unlikely to be overwhelming. |
Then again, the navigation exercises require extensive preparation! If I did one in the afternoon, I found it quite a task to have the complete preparation done before flying another one the next morning.
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Originally Posted by Maoraigh1
(Post 10974717)
"For example the forced approach is taught at a few "favorite fields" and instead of learning flight path judgment the students learns if they turn final over the red house they will get a good mark on their fligth test."
That is bad. "The goal of ab initio flight training should not be "get a PPL", it should be "become a safe pilot". This sounds rather obvious but I would suggest that too often the point is lost. I see a lot of flight training that is completely designed to pass the flight test. This is accomplished with a lot of canned lesson plans." Have you any accident/incident statistics to support your opinion that passing the flight test is not enough to make a safe pilot? Extra hours will not change the pilots personality, but will provide extra income for the school. Perhaps many of the schools you criticise are in fact good. |
I'm very glad to have trained over a full year to experience different seasons and how is affects flying. Learning to fly is a luxury and privilege and corners should not be cut in order to get the training done as fast as possible.
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I wouldn't say that a PPL is a luxury or a privilege, a PPL is a licence to learn, and should be held with a great deal of humility. Anyone who thinks that they somehow have received superior training is an accident waiting to happen.
Flight training should be as comprehensive as it needs to be, and I agree corners should not be cut. So can someone please tell me - if I choose to fly 45 hours over 6 weeks instead of 45 hours over 12 months - what corners are being cut?? |
I suspect like most humanoid activities it requires repetition and time for one's motor skills to develop.
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Rudestuff - I dont think any reputable ATO offering an intensive PPL over a short span of time would cut corners. There are indeed advantages of doing it that way. For me personally I wanted to space the training out over a year because that's the pace I wanted to learn at.
However, I know of several people who attended PPL groundschool courses that sat all the exams in one day without opening a book. I think this is primarily why the CAA has chosen to conduct the PPL exams on a computer now, with a centralised bank of questions just like the ATPL's. |
So can someone please tell me - if I choose to fly 45 hours over 6 weeks instead of 45 hours over 12 months - what corners are being cut?? Some students have gone through, and obtained a PPL without retaining the required basic skills and precision in flying. Worse, is that they don't realize that they really should have some additional training to reach the minimum safe standard - I've flown with a couple for the purpose of more advanced training, which I could not complete with them. |
Originally Posted by mikehallam
(Post 10975717)
I suspect like most humanoid activities it requires repetition and time for one's motor skills to develop.
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Analagy about water and sponge is very good, I learned the theory side at a fast pace but it went in and stayed there.
Time frame gaining any licence varies according to ability, just that aviation has more financial constraints. I found an intensive course worked for me because I went in with a positive mindset , had a goal and was prepared to be flexible to achieve the goal; taking a residential course also eliminates potential distractions, I lived and breathed aviation for 22 days and even on the (thankfully few) non flying days I revised and got up damn early on flying days to maximise potential. Doing the same thing in once or twice weekly lessons would have been a struggle for me as regards memory retention and focus. Does it make a difference to becoming a better pilot, hard to answer in retrospect, you don't know what you don't know, I was fortunate enough to keep flying regularly until I had sufficient hours to join an Auster group. Experience is the best teacher and the training I had was good enough to get my licence and then allow me to then gain my own experience; at no point did I feel that I was being pushed faster than I could run but I accept that this is a possibility on intensive courses. Thinking back, I had a couple of moments but I can put those down to p!ss poor planning on my part, one of which was resolved by a tip whilst training, timed run from a known VRP, thankfully I'd practiced this and knew the time/air speed and only had to allow for wind variables. |
Originally Posted by Porteous Loopy
(Post 10978137)
Two questions here, building on the information already given by many contributors:
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Part of my ATCO training included a PPL course and to prepare us for this our 4 weekInitial Training Course included subjects like Met, Navigation and Air Law which were part of the syllabus for both ATCO and PPL training. Of course our ATCO Medicals also covered us for PPL training.
We were allowed (5 or 6 at a time) 6 weeks mon - fri in October/November to complete our PPL courses and naturally at that time of year, many days were 'lost' due to bad weather (sometimes as many as 3 days a week) I had a slight advantage over my colleagues having some 500 glider launches to my credit (= 500 landings) so not surprisingly, I soloed first and actually completed the syllabus in 31 hours flying instruction, the requirement for an 'approved' course then (1971) being a minimum of 35 hours instruction as I had not achieved Bronze or Silver C gliding badges, my flying having been all in Air Cadet gliders. All of us, even those who had no previous experience, completed the PPL course in the allotted 6 weeks. |
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