LAPL in Netherlands?
Looking at my second unprepared for move in 12 months, anyone have experience of Flying in Holland under a LAPL?, any difference compared to entitlements in the UK? (I know it should be the same, but I doubt it is)
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In the short term, it's possible a UK LAPL may not be recognised................
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With a U.K. issued LAPL you cannot fly outside of U.K. airspace. If you upgrade to a U.K. PPL you could fly a G-reg in the Netherlands, there used to be a few around.
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Aaargh, Brexit eh?, this is gonna cost me
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Depending on where you are in the Netherlands, it might be worth talking to a Belgian training organisation - which will invariably be a flying club.The chaps in Brasschaat have a couple of LAPL-registered trainers, for example. Should be less expensive.
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Check www.easa.europa.eu/faq/121071. It isn't a complete answer to your question because it doesn't discuss G registered aircraft.
Also www.aopa.nl/index.php?page=1318&sid=1 (in Dutch). Aopa asked your specific question to the UK CAA. No answer mentioned yet. It does have an email address for questions. edit: This has your answer. info.caa.co.uk/uk-eu-transition/private-pilots/ Specific chapter with Q/A on LAPL. Conclusion: No flying outside of UK airspace with a UK issued LAPL. Or inside UK airspace with a EU issued LAPL. |
Originally Posted by PR0PWASH
(Post 10966331)
Aaargh, Brexit eh?, this is gonna cost me
Not sure this has anything to do with Brexit, I seem to recall you've never been able to use a LAPL outside UK airspace (but I may be wrong). |
Originally Posted by golfbananajam
(Post 10966412)
Not sure this has anything to do with Brexit, I seem to recall you've never been able to use a LAPL outside UK airspace (but I may be wrong).
I never really saw the point of the LAPL in the first place. We have only ever trained for 2 of them since its inception. It saves nothing in training and being sub ICAO is very restrictive. Instead of creating another licence it would have been better to have an appropriate medical level for the the ICAO PPL..... |
Originally Posted by Archer4
(Post 10966362)
Conclusion: No flying outside of UK airspace with a UK issued LAPL. Or inside UK airspace with a EU issued LAPL. |
The LAPL was an EASA EU wide sub ICAO licence. @T/S: on a very general note, powered recreational flying is not very well regarded in that "southernmost of scandinavian countries". There is a remarkably strong presence of Dutch pilots and even Dutch-registered planes in western Germany and in north-eastern Belgium - guess why... |
Originally Posted by Jan Olieslagers
(Post 10966533)
Ah, that was not entirely clear to me, thanks for clarification. However, why the "was"? Bar Brexit, what has changed?
@T/S: on a very general note, powered recreational flying is not very well regarded in that "southernmost of scandinavian countries". There is a remarkably strong presence of Dutch pilots and even Dutch-registered planes in western Germany and in north-eastern Belgium - guess why... |
It IS an EU-wide initiative.
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Following the creation of the EASA PPL (JAA before that) new elements were introduced and some of these were considered onerous. During the JAA period compliance was voluntary however and you could continue with the ICAO compliant UK PPL if you wished. EASA brought an end to this. To mitigate the effects of these changes the UK CAA created the sub ICAO UK NPPL. It was considered that the vast majority of UK private pilots didn't fly outside of the UK airspace, fly aircraft larger than two metric tonnes, rarely carried more than three passengers nor wished to fly in IMC.
Eventually EASA came to the same conclusion and the LAPL was created together with a specific medical for it. Nothing within the LAPL privileges and training is different, other than some minor detail, from the UK NPPL. There is therefore just one and only benefit to the LAPL, it gave privileges EU wide. Without EU wide benefits the LAPL is pointless to the UK because it added nothing above that of the UK NPPL. It is outrageous that the EU are arbitrarily ceasing to recognize a licence of its own making and also bears its name, designed wholly to give privileges EU wide. It is to the credit of the UK that a two year grace period is granted which will allow bumps to be ironed out and allow time for licenses to be changed if the holder wishes. The EU has not reciprocated. The current Covid-19 cock ups and vaccination regime clearly demonstrates the dysfunction of the EU and its inability to act promptly and effectively other than to be pernicious. The option now is for LAPL holders to obtain a NPPL with less demands on it and put the LAPL on the shelf, it is valid for life. |
Originally Posted by Jan Olieslagers
(Post 10966820)
It IS an EU-wide initiative.
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[[ linguistic side-spin ]]
Thanks for for attempting to correct a native English speakers grammar though |
Originally Posted by Jan Olieslagers
(Post 10967367)
[[ linguistic side-spin ]]
Apologies, sir, you must be one of the few Brits who still care. There are indeed plenty examples around of UK citizens messing up their writing, and not seeming to care. No need to look or search far. That said, if you insist that the LAPL was an EU initiative but I should not say that it is one now, what then is the LAPL now (in Europe)? |
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I never really saw the point of the LAPL in the first place. We have only ever trained for 2 of them since its inception. It saves nothing in training and being sub ICAO is very restrictive. Instead of creating another licence it would have been better to have an appropriate medical level for the the ICAO PPL..... |
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