EASA SEP revalidation by exp. microlights
Apologies if this has been answered previously. I can't find it on the forum.
I'm looking for the specific EASA documents that state that 3 axis microlights can now be used to fulfil hourly requirements for SEP revalidation. So far, I have discovered the following in but I am confused by the emboldened (condition a). How does this mean that the aircraft used can be a "microlight"!? Help much appreciated. From Annex I to ED Decision 2020/005/R AMC and GM to Part-FCL — Issue 1, Amendment 9 AMC1 FCL.140.A; FCL.140.S; FCL.740.A(b)(1)(ii) Recency and revalidation requirements All hours flown on aeroplanes or sailplanes that are subject to a decision as per Article 2(8) of the Basic Regulation or that are specified in Annex I to the Basic Regulation should count in full towards fulfilling the hourly requirements of points FCL.140.A, FCL.140.S, and FCL.740.A(b)(1)(ii) under the following conditions: Annex I to ED Decision 2020/005/R Page 7 of 61 (a) the aircraft matches the definition and criteria of the respective Part-FCL aircraft category, class, and type ratings; and (b) the aircraft that is used for training flights with an instructor is an Annex-I aircraft of type (a), (b), (c), or (d) that is subject to an authorisation specified in points ORA.ATO.135 or DTO.GEN.240. |
From the CAA website;Single-engine piston rating for aeroplanesRequirements for issue of a single-engine piston rating for aeroplanes in single-pilot operations |
EASA has subordinated ultralights to the national authorities, they cannot and won't mention them for themselves. It is for the national CAA's to decide the degree to which they accept ultralight hours for PPL revalidation. As neatly illustrated above.
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"The hours flown in non-EASA aircraft cannot be used to obtain a Part-FCL licence, rating, or certificate or towards meeting their prerequisites."
That's interesting. Hours in a Jodel DR1050 etc don't count towards the minimum hours for anything. (My bold.) |
"The hours flown in non-EASA aircraft cannot be used to obtain a Part-FCL licence, rating, or certificate or towards meeting their prerequisites." |
This all stems from the complete nonsense EASA has made with regard to acceptance of flight time in Annex 1 aircraft.
Back in 2014, the intention was that flight time in Annex 1 (a) - (e) aircraft could be counted towards SEP revalidation. As the legal cogs slowly ground away in EASA, evntually that was agreed... But at no time was the intention that such flight time could ONLY be used for that purpose! Meanwhile, a different EASA group looked at the use of Annex 1 (a) - (d) aircraft for flight instruction - eventually this was agreed; Annex 1(e) aircraft ('microlights') could NOT be used for this purpose. There are some idiots now at EASA who cannot understand that it is quite OK to do a PPL course on something like a Piper Cub, including the Skill Test (assuming the examiner is happy). One such person even thought that the FI who taught on a non-EASA aircraft could count the hours towards his/her SEP Class Rating revalidation, but NOT towards his/her FI certificate revlidation....Where do they find these people?? There was even a suggestion that a pilot would have to keep EASA and non-EASA flight time in separate log books. Anyway, as far as the UK is concerned you can use flight time in non-EASA 'annex 1 (a)-(d)' aircraft for training on anything issued by the CAA (provided that the aircraft has been deemed to be OK by the CAA) and it will also count towards revalidation. Annex 1(e) 3-axis microlight flight time can be used for revalidation, but not for the refresher training flying requirements. To resolve this utter dog's breakfast, AOPA (UK) drafted an AltMoC for the CAA to pass to the DfT; however, due to the UK/EU exit situation that had to be shelved. The draft AltMoC was sent to IAOPA and any national AOPA is welcome to submit it to their NAA. When the UK leaves EASA, the problem will go away in the UK as we won't have 'EASA' and 'non-EASA' aircraft any more. |
Thanks Beagle.
My aircraft is an Annex 1 (LAA Permit) Bolkow BO208C. Most such aircraft are EASA. :rolleyes: . |
Originally Posted by BEagle
(Post 10932518)
When the UK leaves EASA, the problem will go away in the UK as we won't have 'EASA' and 'non-EASA' aircraft any more.
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Part 21 whether it is ICAO, EASA or FAA etc applies to all aircraft certification whatever its use or capability. Annex 1 is a EASA construct and will not be applicable after we have left EASA.
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The bit that I find confusing in the AMC1 (highlighted) is point (a). How can an ultralight be in the same category, class and type as a SEP? Can anyone help me out?
. All hours flown on aeroplanes or sailplanes that are subject to a decision as per Article 2(8) of the Basic Regulation or that are specified in Annex I to the Basic Regulation should count in full towards fulfilling the hourly requirements of points FCL.140.A, FCL.140.S, and FCL.740.A(b)(1)(ii) under the following conditions: (a) the aircraft matches the definition and criteria of the respective Part-FCL aircraft category, class, and type ratings; and (b) the aircraft that is used for training flights with an instructor is an Annex-I aircraft of type (a), (b), (c), or (d) that is subject to an authorisation specified in points ORA.ATO.135 or DTO.GEN.240. |
It is impossible to separate the handling of a three axis ultralite, microlite etc from those aircraft registered in the other three axis categories. The handling characteristics of the many very different types, although within the same category, demonstrate this.
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I suppose the question is, can a microlight be an SEP?
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I suppose the question is, can a microlight be an SEP? A power-driven heavier-than-air aircraft, deriving its lift in flight chiefly from aerodynamic reactions on surfaces which remain fixed under given conditions of flight. |
We must somehow stop referring to "EASA" aircraft. Very hard though when trying to explain things.
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Unless EASA has adopted the term 'Part 21' for other than Annex1 or Art.2(8) aircraft, it is simpler for those outside the UK to continue to term them as 'EASA' aircraft, in my view.
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Well, they are not "EASA" so to term is incorrect. "ICAO" compliant perhaps goes someway to distinguish them from Microlight, home builds, permit and those aircraft on a national C of A. etc. Whatever is the choice they are not EASA any longer and everyone must come to terms with that. Over the coming months all references to EASA will have been removed.
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Originally Posted by BEagle
(Post 10981857)
No. A 'microlight' is an Annex 1(e) aircraft. In the case of a 3-axis 'microlight', it falls under the ICAO of an aeroplane:
So although flight time in Annex 1(e) aircraft is recognised towards the revalidation of an SEP/TMG Class Rating by experience (as may flight time in Art.2(8) 'opt-out' sub-600kg aircraft), dual refresher training with an instructor must be flown either in an EASA aircraft or, if it has been approved for training by the NAA, an Annex 1(a)-(d) aircraft. This, to me plainly states that can only count hours flown in an SEP towards revalidation by experience. An ultralight does not match the definition and criteria. Longer quote of the AMC text for context: All hours flown on aeroplanes or sailplanes that are subject to a decision as per Article 2(8) of the Basic Regulation or that are specified in Annex I to the Basic Regulation should count in full towards fulfilling the hourly requirements of points FCL.140.A, FCL.140.S, and FCL.740.A(b)(1)(ii) under the following conditions: (a) the aircraft matches the definition and criteria of the respective Part-FCL aircraft category, class, and type ratings; and (b) the aircraft that is used for training flights with an instructor is an Annex-I aircraft of type (a), (b), (c), or (d) that is subject to an authorisation specified in points ORA.ATO.135 or DTO.GEN.240. |
There was an article in Flyer May 2020 (Dave Calderwood, 28/5/2020) I cannot post the URL as new PRUNE member. In short it indicates that 3 axis hours can be counted towards renewal. I have flown a Skyranger since 2006 and always revalidated by proficiency check to maintain my full PPL. I can recall at the last renewal one examiner believed that my 3 axis time counted but the other was not convinced. I therefore did the prof check to be certain. I am now under the impression that I can renew on hours +the one hour instructor flight.
Google search of microlight/hours/flyer soon found the article. Hope this helps rob |
You cannot renew an SEP Class Rating by flying a Proficiency Check in a microlight.
You can count flight time in a microlight towards revalidation of an SEP Class Rating by experience, but the minimum hour of refresher flight training with an insructor may not be flown in a microlight. Neither may a revalidation Proficiency Check be flown in a microlight. |
Just to clarify. All my revalidation flights were in a warrior. I was aware that they could not be carried out in my skyranger
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