No way would I let my family wth a PPL I had never met.
I came across some awful PPL's when carrying out check rides when they had exceeded the flying clubs 28 day currency rule in my days as a flying instructor. |
If you don't like the idea, don't take part, but don't condemn those that do, based on their perceived skill level due to the number of hours experience they have. I still fear for the first flight that leads to a fatality, even if the recent fatalities off Alderney dont end up in the Courts. The CAA may let things happen, but that is quite different to how a judge opines. And the pilot, or his dependants, may be decimated. |
Don't confuse things. It is not a matter of PPL or CPL, it is a matter of skills. I have had many ATPL guys taking a checkride and performing uttermost bad in a small aircraft. Being a commercial pilot and running under AOC won't necessarily qualify to take passengers in a PA28! In fact, not few ATPL riders have less hours actually on the yoke than a typical PPL pilot, quite some fly by buttons on a glass cockpit only. This may be one reason for the confusion outside the pilots community, many license arguments are insurance discussion only.
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It is not a matter of PPL or CPL, it is a matter of skills. I have had many ATPL guys taking a checkride and performing uttermost bad in a small aircraft. Being a commercial pilot and running under AOC won't necessarily qualify to take passengers in a PA28! |
As my dear old granny used to say “ it’s all fun and games till someone loses an eye” |
..........not a few ATPL riders have less hours actually on the yoke than a typical PPL pilot, Doesn't meant they don't know a thing or two about survival tho'. |
They may have less handling skills when it comes to GA aircraft, but these will quickly be re-learnt. What they will have as a result of their experience is a high appreciation of risk and defence mechanisms in which to mitigate these risks. I thought I was experienced when I had 200 hours. I thought I was really experienced when I had a thousand hours. Now I have 17,000 hours, I realise I'm still learning.
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Being a commercial pilot and running under AOC won't necessarily qualify to take passengers in a PA28! |
Originally Posted by Dan Winterland
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They may have less handling skills when it comes to GA aircraft, but these will quickly be re-learnt. What they will have as a result of their experience is a high appreciation of risk and defence mechanisms in which to mitigate these risks. I thought I was experienced when I had 200 hours. I thought I was really experienced when I had a thousand hours. Now I have 17,000 hours, I realise I'm still learning.
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At 100hrs a pilot thinks he knows it all.
At 500hrs he knows he knows it all. At 5000hrs he knows he'll never know it all. |
Just had a closer look at that website of 'Wingly'. Somehow I doubt that offer like 'All flights can be individually tailored.' and 'Flexible Dates' or 'Request a specific flight directly If you can not find the flight you want, request the flight directly to pilots!' were in the mind of the authorities when not stopping this. What do you mean?
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Originally Posted by ChickenHouse
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Just had a closer look at that website of 'Wingly'. Somehow I doubt that an offer with 'All flights can be individually tailored.' and 'Flexible Dates' or 'Request a specific flight directly If you can not find the flight you want, request the flight directly to pilots!' were in the mind of the authorities when not stopping this. What do you mean?
The way to stop this is via press publicity to highlight how unsuspecting members of the public can find themselves in a scary situation.The CAA have to act now on this grey area especially given recent tragic results. |
When I did a test in the past, one of my criteria was "Would I be happy with my family being flown by this pilot?" And being a safety professional, I know the details of some airline's operations and there are some I will not let my family get on. The danger here is that the cost sharers do not have the experience to judge by these criteria and won't know if the operation is safe or not - the pilot profiles are uninformed and naïve. And with the extra pressure the pilot faces to get their 'fare paying passenger' to their destination, safety margins will be eroded.
I have heard it mentioned on PPRuNe and other pilot forums that there is not the data to suggest that this operation is unsafe. Safety is not just reactive - if you apply a standard risk matrix to Wingly operations, the result is quite high. In my opinion, Wingly is taking advantage of EASA's weak regulation and the eventual result will be catastrophic and tragic. I notice with interest that Sky Uber has already ceased operations. |
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