Pathetic (ii)
 

As predicted, the "Pathetic" thread didn't live long - disappeared while I was answering to it. As usual, with no explanation in the least, let alone a word of apology. So be it - bye bye for me too.

Now let's see how many seconds this one will stand.

You're playing in another chaps sandpit. His sand, his rules. You could always start your own forum.

Okay, I'll reply to this one (though another mod may choose to delete it!).

I am accountable for the deletion of both threads which have triggered this discussion. I have carried out the instructions provided to me, using my judgement. My first criteria being: Do I want to read it?

Accountable? Yes, often, and in the case of the earlier thread, I volunteered a PM to the thread starter, saying that I had to delete the thread, and why. It seems others have assumed that I had not done that, and acted from behind a veil of anonymity. Nope, posters can PM me if they have a concern - I have never not replied a PM, with a considered response.

I have no personal agenda here, I'm just doing what I said I would, and helping PPRuNe to be a place where readers can read about aviation in as positive, and helpful a light as possible. I'm just a regular person, not being paid to do this - but I know what the guidelines are, and I know what I don't like reading.

Posters are welcome to post, but not required to do so. If you choose to, please post things which attempt to not offend anyone.

As mentioned by a poster, those who choose to not post are, of course, free to follow that course of action. If the motivation to post was to contribute and disseminate wisdom, it will be the readers who will loose most from the withholding of a wise and learned post. PPRuNe cares, but will not reduce standards in trade for posts.

I will leave this thread open for polite posts, should anyone wish to make a comment, from which we can do better. Another mod could choose to delete this thread, and I'll respect that if it happens. I could choose to lock the thread, if posters are rude or unconstructive.

I did not receive the courtesy of a PM when my posts were deleted. And I had no idea who had deleted them, so how could I PM the deleter with my concerns?

Some posters seem to be able to put down others on here, with a robust rebuttal not allowed (and robust was certainly deserved in the case of the condescending one who posted false innuendo against me). My reward for simply complaining of 'no right of reply' when my rebuttal was just deleted without explanation? A ban!

This is unacceptable.

I will continue to read proon for the posters who are worth a read. My own contributions to threads have ceased. Whether that bothers you or not I frankly don't care. I've had enough.

Now SSD, not to blow smoke up your ass, but I’ve had some good advice and pointers from you over the years and hope you’ll reconsider.

@Pilot DAR: one of the comments I tried to post in the earlier thread, but could not because it disappeared while I was typing, was my appreciation for the very correct and polite behaviour of one and exactly one moderator. No need for details, I hope and trust. Please keep up the good work, and I hope your example may inspire your fellow-moderators. For the good of all concerned.

Ditto on that Jan. And while we’ve got PD’s attention may I enquire as to how the recovery is coming along ? I trust you’re on the mend.

That works both ways.

We, the punters, don't know that it was you as a particular Moderator were responsible for deleting a thread. In other words, there is a 'veil of anonymity' at your end also.

Equally, those posters in a thread who were not the thread starter, and hence did not receive a 'courtesy' PM from you, will have had no explanation as to the reason their posts were summarily discarded.

PPRuNe does have a reputation over several years for heavy-handed and often arbitrary moderation. I don't think your post helps with that.

I suggest that is illuminating that I think the above is fair comment, based on considerable experience - yet I also now suspect that the likelihood of me receiving a ban is pretty high.

Just for sake of clarity. Please tell this forum the exact circumstances that has lead to this moderation shambles.

In particular why have ALL my posts on the electric airplane thread been deleted but the person who insulted me is totally unaffected, all his are still there, meaning this is disjointed because replies make no sense without the post referred to. Total hypocrisy and double standards.

YOUR words........remember what was posted on my post and why this is ongoing?

In your pm to me you made NO reference as to WHY you have deleted my posts.

Will you agree to let me post your PM to me and my reply for all to see, or would that be too much?????

PS: Oxford English dictionary. Definition of "Forum" "A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
‘we hope these pages act as a forum for debate’"

something for you to take on board maybe?

Yes, I agree that it's not possible to reply or PM each poster when something they were involved in has had to be deleted. Perhaps theirs was the shining post of quality on a poor thread - sorry, stuff happens. No, SSD did not get a PM from me, 'cause frankly, "pathetic" and then a flaming post falls below my threshold of enthusiasm.

It is uncommon for comment on deletions (and frankly, I may be "guided" in the background that I should not have indulged this). But, I can empathize with feeling jilted, when a post you made, which you genuinely thought was good, is deleted, it's even happened to me!

Correct, posters can't know which mod deleted something. If I'm politely asked, and I did, I'll "man up". If it was not me, I'll stand quietly with the other mods as a team. Sorry, that's the way the system works.

But, all in all... people, it's just comments on the internet! Can we not be nice to each other? You're not so important, that what you think you'd like to say must surpass all other's comments for importance. Or, maybe it is... and I get it wrong and delete it, life will go on! I say that as an expert in life going on - as P84 alludes, I spent 100 days in hospital, after the PF had a bad day last summer, and we crashed. Being able to walk again is nice, and two weeks ago, I borrowed a 172 and an instructor, and satisfied myself that indeed, I can still fly - happily, well. There's more recovery to do yet though...

So, I have time to keep an eye on the posts. Let's post as though we would like the new readers to think that we're proud of aviation, and generally support our fellow pilots... okay?

PD, a good post! I can fully sympathise with your PoV. As a moderator on a relatively small car forum a few years ago I was subjected to a hate campaign on there, on FB and in person after I was wrongly accused of banning one individual for continually and defiantly breaking the forum rules. Although I deleted some offending posts I didn't ban him, I didn't actually have the authority to do so. The forum owner and administrator applied the ban after warning said individual, but the hate campaign against myself continued. The forum was eventually closed down by the owner because it became too troublesome for him to administer.

Good to hear you're on the up DAR. :ok:

Obviously questions in my post above are too difficult to answer, so a lot of hyperbole is posted.

I have not seen any "flaming" just total frustration of the double standards with what is seen by some here as perfectly acceptable.

I get bored with "sandpit playing" and "it's his train set" comments from those who are happy for this hypocrisy to carry on but I'm not.

Just waiting for the obvious sychophantic comments to appear now......

Thank you for taking the time to give such a considered response, Pilot DAR. It is much appreciated.

It's the arbitrary unexplained bannings from some anonymous Mods that get backs up; I think most will appreciate why threads/posts sometimes disappear even if we don't always like it.

I too am very pleased to hear things are improving with you. ATB.

An internet forum is not democratic, it is a private medieval principality.

And may I express my appreciation for this thread _not_ having been removed.

I missed the original thread, and am completely mystified, as, I suspect, many others will be.

Both very valid points.

From my post. previous..

The reason this so is because of the totally draconian, unjustified deleting of a post after being insulted and all trace of the response being deleted, and a ban on even reading the thread, you will see from the response of the "moderator" that none of the questions are being answered, and yes the thread that preceded this, "Pathetic MkI " was summarily deleted, absolutely pathetic....

Me too, though can try and guess!