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India Four Two 14th Sep 2017 18:57

Anyone else had a bird strike in a light aircraft?
 
A short while ago, while on short final in a C182, I flew through a flock of smallish (thrush-sized) birds and heard a thump.

After landing, I checked the wing and stabilizer leading-edges and the struts, and didn’t see any damage. Then I noticed some feathers on a prop blade and blood on the engine cowling. Luckily no damage to the aircraft, although the bird wasn’t so lucky.

This was the first time for me in over 3000 flights and no pilots I know have ever mentioned bird strikes. How common is this?

n5296s 14th Sep 2017 19:10

Hit something sparrow sized in an R44 once. I saw it an instant before it hit. It made quite a bang but no damage.

PPRuNe Dispatcher 14th Sep 2017 19:18

In a PA28 I hit a sparrow with the starboard wing just after takeoff. No damage to the aircraft.

PPD

The Ancient Geek 14th Sep 2017 21:14

Small birds are unlikely to do a lot of damage at typical GA speeds. A goose could be serious. I once saw the result of a family of warthog crossing the strip, one of them made a nasty mess of the nosegear of a C182.

planesandthings 14th Sep 2017 22:15

Hit a red kite at 100ft in a glider on the final approach to a gliding airfield, poor thing :uhoh: RSPB took care of him. No damage to the aircraft.

Tarq57 14th Sep 2017 22:20

I knew a guy in a Fletcher topdresser who had a hawk enter through the front windscreen.
After impact, the stunned and dying bird went into full attack mode. I reckon the pilot did an excellent job of not losing control at low level.

I overshot once from about 200' to avoid a hawk crossing final. We eyeballed each other. It wasn't giving way. I've taken evasive action on several occasions to avoid any birds I've seen, usually seagulls and similar. Never hit anything.

Sleeve Wing 14th Sep 2017 22:47

Worst shock I had with birds happened on an autumn evening approach to Glasgow.

Came out of cloud on the ILS over the river and saw what I thought was a bit of low stratus directly between me and the numbers.
At the last minute, realised it was geese, quite a few, and went around.
On a gentle walk from the hotel around the back of the airfield the next morning, spotted what had been the cause for concern.
Something approaching 200 greylag geese were having their breakfast in a field just to the side of the runway !

170 odd passengers should be grateful we weren’t more tired !! ……..and I learned about flying from that ! :eek:

treadigraph 14th Sep 2017 22:51

Passenger in a C150 years ago, approaching Sebring in Florida. As we turned to join the pattern we spotted a couple of turkey vultures thermaling several hundred feet below and a short way ahead - didn't appreciate just how quickly they were climbing. One just went under the starboard wing, no idea about the other. Damn glad we didn't hit either.

Beech T-44 vs turkey vulture

effortless 14th Sep 2017 23:34

Mate dented the leading edge from a pheasant on landing a warrior.

compressor stall 15th Sep 2017 00:20

Training in a pa28 in Melbourne many years ago, light rain showers and on rotation collected a small flock of seagulls. The windscreen went red like a 007 film. Finished the circuit and rolling out was a seagull head on the runway...the rest of it (and its mates) ceased to exist.

Also hit a bat one night in a shrike. Dinged the leading edge. Clearly the bat's TCAS was u/s....

piperboy84 15th Sep 2017 01:25


Originally Posted by India Four Two (Post 9891884)
A short while ago, while on short final in a C182, I flew through a flock of smallish (thrush-sized) birds and heard a thump.

After landing, I checked the wing and stabilizer leading-edges and the struts, and didn’t see any damage. Then I noticed some feathers on a prop blade and blood on the engine cowling. Luckily no damage to the aircraft, although the bird wasn’t so lucky.

This was the first time for me in over 3000 flights and no pilots I know have ever mentioned bird strikes. How common is this?

I42, yourself and I had a rather close encounter with a large gull between downtown LA and Hollywood a few years back.

RatherBeFlying 15th Sep 2017 01:59

One was a nocturnal bird on descent at 2am. Loud bang, but just a small crack on the inside of the windshield curve of a C-150.?

The second was a Swanson's Hawk that did not make it out of the way of my landing flare and is now mounted by my front window.

Several other close encounters with hawks, eagles, vultures and sea gulls.

AdamFrisch 15th Sep 2017 02:21

Hit a flock on takeoff with the Aerostar. I could see them trying to get away on the runway, and it was too late to abort - didn't have enough runway left. Luckily, just one hit and he went through the prop and got mashed. Was pretty big, too. No vibration or anything else after it hit, so I decided to continue to destination. Upon landing found the whole fuselage sprayed in guts.

India Four Two 15th Sep 2017 03:45


I42, yourself and I had a rather close encounter with a large gull
pb84, Yes I remember that vividly - just south of the Hollywood sign. That could have ruined our whole day! Like my encounter, it was too late to react once we saw it.

Based on the flocks of birds preparing to migrate that I have seen in the past few days and the fact that I saw flashes of orange just before the unfortunate bird's demise, I have concluded that I hit a Robin ( not the European 'Robin Redbreast', but a thrush-sized bird!).

Around our gliding field, we often have encounters with large hawks and occasionally eagles. It is interesting that they will mostly move away as a glider comes to have a look at their thermal. I presume that is because of their good eyesight -they see us coming.

BackPacker 15th Sep 2017 06:36

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Hit a seagull on short final (doing about 65 knots) in a PA28 a few years ago. Right wing, right between the two outer ribs. Made a huge dent, with the edges of the aluminium plating torn from the rivets and whatnot. The repair took three weeks.

ETOPS 15th Sep 2017 07:31

Hit a big flock of doves just after lift-off in a PA-31 Navajo. This was very late at night and came as a shock as I wasn't aware such birds had a night rating. The sensation was how imagine being hit by heavy calibre machine gun fire feels :eek:

Amazingly no damage but the aircraft was very messy.......

strake 15th Sep 2017 08:45

Saw a chap spear a Starling on the pitot of a Beagle Pup at Sywell in 1984. Often wondered how long it would take to cook with the heater on...

Sillert,V.I. 15th Sep 2017 09:10

I once took evasive action to avoid a bird.

It was a good call.

She divorced my best friend about five years later :E.

sharpend 15th Sep 2017 10:05

It's all about MV squared. I hit a big duck at 500 mph. It smashed the windscreen. It smashed my 'unbreakable visor'. It smashed me. The energy was equivalent to a sledgehammer at 150 mph.

Johnm 15th Sep 2017 10:40

Collected a black backed gull on climb out into IMC, splattered windscreen made getting back in interesting. Prop chipped small pits in the screen, due chemical content of gull, and bits smeared over the rest of the aircraft, but no serious damage thankfully.

creweite 15th Sep 2017 16:54

Many years ago on final to WW in a Tiger Moth, a flock of starlings flew right at me. I thought that they went over or under me, but on landing one of the ground crew pulled out a bird's wing from the bracing wires. Made me feel sad for a fellow aviator!

RAT 5 15th Sep 2017 16:57

In Sudan, while spraying in a Piper Pawnee, I had a scary encounter. We were spraying against locusts and flew 2m about the crop, which was 3-4' tall. Each field required about 6 strips i.e passes, to cover it. Locusts are the pet food for a sparrow like bird, but I didn't know that. I dropped down to spray height, 90kts, on the first pass and a huge carpet, nearly the size if the field, lifted off right in front of me. It was swarm of these birds. The engine cowling was nearly full of flesh & feathers, the leading edges were blasted with blood & guts and the trailing edges between the spray booms were full of bodies. The BBQ smell was nauseating and I had to break off and return to base, about 10 mins flying. Fortunate the cockpit windscreen remained intact, but the eyebrow air vent was clogged with detritus.
We called off that field for the day, and in future and ground guys go out to 'beat' the fields. They too had to be careful as some years before a local guys and been out in the crop, doing whatever, and had not listened to the chief's warning not to venture into that field. he heard the a/c, wondered WTF, stood up and lost his head.
Strong a/c the Pawnee.

JW411 15th Sep 2017 16:59

The biggest bird I ever hit was a sea eagle on short finals to Masirah Island in Oman in an Argosy. It had a wing span of somewhere near 2 metres. It went through the D-box of the starboard wing leading edge right back to the spar.

It took several days to fix the aeroplane but the awful thing was sitting there with a cold beer watching the partner soaring around the island looking for his wife. I was told that sea eagles were monogamous and paired up for life. How could I tell him that I didn't mean to hit the love of his life?

Tragic.

ATC Watcher 15th Sep 2017 18:33

Lot of recent collision between vultures and light aircraft over the Pyrenees, especially on the Spanish side some fatal. A controller from paris CDG got killed last year with 2 other pax in a Robin DR400 from the Creil aeroclub after a collision with one.

Curlytips 15th Sep 2017 18:39

Just a sparrow....
 
Prop cut his head off which bounced off the screen leaving a short bloody trail. Body cracked the fibreglass surround of the cowl as it entered and landed on the cylinders. Was nicely cooked by time we landed. Even a sparrow has impact at 100 knots 😕

IFMU 15th Sep 2017 22:09

My first bird was a hawk when landing a Pawnee after a glider tow. He popped up from below and hit the intersection of the main and jury strut. Splat. Second bird was a turkey vulture sliced by the flying wires in a Pitts S2A, also short final.

mary meagher 16th Sep 2017 18:12

Never hit any birds either with glider or power - cruising or towing gliders.

But grateful to all those soaring feathered friends, especially all those red kites that have spread throughout southern England, they indicate best lift.
The local soaring hawks - buzzards? over Tysoe village are special friends; if I found the thermal before they do, they wing over and join...and soon outclimb the K13.

treadigraph 16th Sep 2017 23:29

Very likely buzzards Mary.

Discorde 17th Sep 2017 16:35

25 November 2010 (says my log book). Approaching R21 at Cranfield I notice a flock of gulls settled in the touchdown area. No problem - if they don't shift I'll go around. They scattered so I continued. One bird decided to do a 180 and flew in front of me just as I flared. I heard and felt a thump, which seemed to come from the main gear. Landed, vacated the runway, reported the strike and shut down. The gull had impacted the right wing tip, as shown below. It did not survive.

http://steemrok.com/birdstrike%2025-11-10%20sm

ericferret 17th Sep 2017 18:46

While involved in Quelea bird control in Tanzania we had a Bell 206 helicopter fly into a flock of these creatures. They flock in thousands. All the canopies were broken and birds were flying around inside the cockpit. The engine intake had around 40+ dead birds wedged in, how it kept running I have no idea. We fitted snow deflectors after this incident to give a little more protection..

Oscar Charlie 192 17th Sep 2017 21:04

Having hit a Pheasant, at 56MPH (Me, not it) with my truck*, and seeing the mess it made of the windscreen, I'd not want to hit one whilst in an aircraft, at xx? feet.

*Southbound A1 near the East of England Showground, at Peterborough. It crossed my path and then did a 180 degree turn, to avoid a northbound H.G.V. Second time of crossing in front of me, it wasn't as lucky as the first time!

betterfromabove 17th Sep 2017 22:10

Instructor of mine was doing night CX at Toussus-le-Noble (near Paris) in a C172 when all of a sudden the windscreen exploded and he found a seagull dead in his lap. Joked about it afterwards, but was glad he had someone else in the plane. Believe the pilot under instruction continued to land.

A friend of mine was on an exercise with an instructor in a PA28 W of White Waltham when part of the prop seemed to disintegrate. Landed safely, with some power on I believe. They and the engineers came to the conclusion it was a red kite that hit it. Plenty orbit in the 25 undershoot as well over the allotments and used to lead to some weaving going by a/c on finals when I was flying there a few years back.

RINKER 18th Sep 2017 08:38

Had a close one lifting from a friends garden in a little R22 when a swan came up from behind a low tree line right in front of me. Thankfully it was looking out too and we managed to avoid each other, don't think it would have ended well if we'd hit.

R

Tarq57 18th Sep 2017 10:17

One thing I've noticed is that most birds (hawks excepted, maybe) don't want to tangle with an aircraft, but often appear confused as to what avoiding action to take. (I see this from the tower frequently.)

The moment you start to bank, the bird/s will immediately bank the other way (if they're alarmed) to avoid a conflict. (They probably see it as avoiding a predator.)

This applies to (most) seagulls, anyway, and most other birds I've swerved to avoid.

I doubt it applies to geese. Geese seem remarkably unmaneouverable. I've witnessed a kestrel take out a goose - there were a pair of them in a shallow climb, maybe 300' up, and the predator dived from well above that, yelling it's throat out. I could see the geese 'rubbernecking' and generally looking agitated, but did they try and turn? Not even a degree. The kestrel hit the trailing bird, creating a minor explosion of feathers, and it just dropped out of the sky. We heard the sound of the first impact (from about a km away) as it hit the ground, then the second ground-strike thump. Quite spectacular.

Sully didn't stand a chance.

Katamarino 18th Sep 2017 14:03

Took out a guinea fowl with the wheel in South Africa one time...

B2N2 18th Sep 2017 14:27

I've had 7 (8?)

- Took one on the nose in a ASK-23 glider
- Propeller tip of a Piper Cub during PPL training
- Piper Aztec at night while descending out of 4000', bounced off the right side and ended up in the engine.
- Hit 3 while taking off in a DA 42, one bounced off the left prop, one went into the radiator and one bounced the canopy.
- Hit a bird in a DA-40 the next day
- Hit a turkey buzzard in a DA42, he was thermalling on downwind and I was looking at the traffic on final when I caught movement in the corner of my eye.
Turned my head and I swear we had eye contact. Intrepid aviator as he was...tucked his wings in and cartwheeled over the canopy.
Thought we got away with it till I felt the impact on the tail.
After landing a boroscope inspection revealed a rib broken off in the horizontal stabilizer.
This damage wasn't visible from the outside. Wipe the blood and it would have passed every preflight inspection. You had to get a step ladder and a magnifying glass to see the micro cracking in the outer skin layer. Testament to the strength of 'plastic' airplanes.
$20,000 in damages.

Same year two pilots perished as their tail came off in a Seminole at night after hitting geese.

For reference how big these b'stards are:

http://www.surfbirds.com/media/galle...0225010404.jpg

http://pestkill.org/wp-content/uploa...res-on-car.jpg

JW411 18th Sep 2017 14:38

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mary meagher:

The hawks in Aden had no discipline at all and would circle in any direction that took their fancy. Note the repair to the starboard wing of one of our T-21s.

Russell Gulch 18th Sep 2017 18:37

A link i came across the other day: Tipsy Nipper Februry 2013 in California

https://dms.ntsb.gov/pubdms/search/h...FAD25FC8F84398

"Analysis:
The airplane was in cruise flight about 2,000 feet above the ground when several witnesses reported hearing a loud "crack," "pop," or "snap" sound and then looking up and seeing something separate from the airplane and then pieces falling to the ground. The outboard 4 feet of the right wing was found about 2,000 feet away from the main wreckage, and a turkey vulture carcass was found near the wing section. Postaccident examinations of the wing section revealed blood spots and a downy barbule, which was identified as a fragment of a turkey vulture feather."

Probable Cause and Findings
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident to be:
The airplane's impact with a turkey vulture in cruise flight, which resulted in the structural
failure of the right wing and the subsequent loss of control.

B2N2 19th Sep 2017 16:22

This was the accident I was referring too:

http://bismarcktribune.com/news/state-and-regional/und-plane-crashed-after-hitting-goose/article_07e9494c-3719-5cd6-84ac-84a72d575a2e.html

Dan_Brown 19th Sep 2017 17:23


Originally Posted by BackPacker (Post 9892257)
Hit a seagull on short final (doing about 65 knots) in a PA28 a few years ago. Right wing, right between the two outer ribs. Made a huge dent, with the edges of the aluminium plating torn from the rivets and whatnot. The repair took three weeks.

Was that bird in a tree when you hit it?:}:


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