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piperboy84 20th Aug 2017 23:32

Ballsy waterskiing display
 
This dude was showing serious cojones out on the Islands today

https://1drv.ms/v/s!AsUqLYgbkd8en21WuU2U4cyLh72T

Big Pistons Forever 21st Aug 2017 00:13

Nothing "Ballsy" about that, just a demonstration of really poor PIC decision making.

Pilot DAR 21st Aug 2017 00:47

Perhaps that pilot might consider my lifejacket thread, among other decision making considerations......

Flyingmac 21st Aug 2017 06:19

Just a bit of fun. His choice. His risk to accept. Move along now.

rcsa 21st Aug 2017 08:18


Originally Posted by Flyingmac (Post 9868071)
Just a bit of fun. His choice. His risk to accept. Move along now.

Well put (assuming the pilot owned the aircraft...)

Which Islands, PB? Scots accent in the video, but an N reg aircraft in the foreground.

Blink182 21st Aug 2017 08:57

Isle of Mull

Webcam from the Hotel............ Glenforsa hotel Live Webcam

BackPacker 21st Aug 2017 09:57

Virtually impossible in a nosewheel aircraft due to the dynamics involved, but within limits doable in a taildragger. There's even a demo team that does this regularly in formation, in Harvards.

B737C525 21st Aug 2017 11:43


Just a bit of fun. His choice. His risk to accept. Move along now.
And when it goes wrong, what about the people who will take risks trying to rescue him? Swimming down into the water to get him out? The SAR helicopter and its crew, perhaps the lifeboat and its crew? The emergency services whose time will be expended? The hospital bed he'll occupy if he's lucky, and the person who can't be in that bed because he's occupying it? The police officers who'll deliver the news if he's not lucky? The investigators who'll have to try to write up this idiocy without upsetting his relatives? The Procurator Fiscal and Sherriff and others in the coronial process (perhaps)? The cost to society generated by all the above and the premature death of a financially successful person? The effect on his family and loved ones of his premature departure?

Flyingmac, you couldn't be more wrong. You simply couldn't.

Capt Kremmen 21st Aug 2017 12:25

No. Flyingmac is right, absolutely so. Humans did not progress by refusing risk. Accepting risk complete with its attendant problems, as you so properly pointed out, is a necessary and relevant part of life.


Darwin's survival of the fittest plays its part.

B737C525 21st Aug 2017 12:55

Have you spoken to any people in the situations I mention? Perhaps you'd like to explain your point of view to them. I have, much more often than I would have preferred to.

There is considered, reasonable, risk-taking. We all understand that.

And there is idiocy: behaviour so likely to kill or injure, and to cause others to take unreasonable risk themselves, and cause them misery, and hurt the public purse, that it is quite beyond the bounds of reasonableness.

Capt Kremmen 21st Aug 2017 13:33

I'm an ex serviceman who, during his service was well used to sanctioning risk for others as well as for myself. I'd rather you didn't tell me that beyond a certain point military risk is different to civilian risk. Neither is under duress. Both fulfil a need for the person to test him or herself.


If we do not constantly push the boundaries, we lose the ability to measure and assess risk and consequently and understandably become more likely to become an unwelcome statistic.

gasax 21st Aug 2017 13:36

There is a very divergent view of what is and is not acceptable risk.

Waterskiing aircraft is in some places comparatively common. If you do not know that, or the aircraft and pilot's capabilities your view of risk may not be accurate - equally neither may theirs.

However the world full of cotton wool version, where no one is ever hurt and no one ever does anything that someone else might think 'risky' is so dull there is little point of being part of it.

VictorGolf 21st Aug 2017 17:38

I have a pal who used to help out with a voluntary mountain rescue outfit in the Lake District. I once asked him what he thought about folk who go fell walking in flip-flops and a T-shirt then get lost when the battery in the GPS fails and the weather closes in. His response was "Great, it's all good practice" which wasn't what I expected, so perhaps if the Cub had had a problem the rescue services mightn't have been too miffed.

MaxR 21st Aug 2017 17:55

Actually, VG, I never had any fun dragging a body from the water. Don't know anybody who ever enjoyed knocking on a door and telling Mrs Smith that she was now the widow Smith.

artschool 21st Aug 2017 18:20


Originally Posted by B737C525 (Post 9868377)
And when it goes wrong, what about the people who will take risks trying to rescue him? Swimming down into the water to get him out? The SAR helicopter and its crew, perhaps the lifeboat and its crew? The emergency services whose time will be expended? The hospital bed he'll occupy if he's lucky, and the person who can't be in that bed because he's occupying it? The police officers who'll deliver the news if he's not lucky? The investigators who'll have to try to write up this idiocy without upsetting his relatives? The Procurator Fiscal and Sherriff and others in the coronial process (perhaps)? The cost to society generated by all the above and the premature death of a financially successful person? The effect on his family and loved ones of his premature departure?

Flyingmac, you couldn't be more wrong. You simply couldn't.

all the same arguments used to get motorcyclists to wear a helmet.

would you wear a helmet whilst flying?

Big Pistons Forever 21st Aug 2017 18:59


If we do not constantly push the boundaries, we lose the ability to measure and assess risk and consequently and understandably become more likely to become an unwelcome statistic.
There are many ways to push your personal boundaries in ways that build skill and confidence, and where the gain in skill is commensurate with the risk. I am struggling to see how water skiing your aeroplane makes you a better pilot.....

Capt Kremmen 21st Aug 2017 19:34

I don't think that anyone wrote that it did. The debate is about risk acceptance and management of risk.

Saab Dastard 21st Aug 2017 20:07

I believe that we had this discussion / argument before, regarding the "Ullswater Incident" http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...ot-guilty.html

Not much point in rehashing the same points, I think.

SD

vetflyer 21st Aug 2017 21:00

OK

Then , is this the same pilot/aircraft that landed on a road in Scotland , not so long ago ?

I ask because that was a yellow cub as well

Possible character trait being displaced ?

Rgds

piperboy84 21st Aug 2017 21:10

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Originally Posted by vetflyer (Post 9868893)
OK

Then , is this the same pilot/aircraft that landed on a road in Scotland , not so long ago ?

I ask because that was a yellow cub as well

Possible character trait being displaced ?

Rgds

Damned Scottish yellow cub drivers giving us Scottish yellow Maule drivers a bad name!

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