PPRuNe Forums - Flying through a NOTAM'd display area

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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat (Post 9704573)

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Now let's imagine there was some magical, mystical device which allowed pilots to communicate with somebody on the ground and this person had a sorcerous device which showed him where other aircraft were, which altitude they were flying and in which direction, then that person on the ground could warn the pilot about aircraft coming close. Wouldn't that be a fantastic improvement to air safety, supplementing See and Avoid?

That sounds like a nice idea. Where would such a service come from, and who would pay for it?

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What is the point of view from users here about flying in Class G airspace close to busy airfields without speaking to any one of a number of ATC units?

I think you have to consider look at what you could offer to encourage the pilot to call. This is from a UK point of view.

In times gone long ago, there was a service called LARS that would assist private pilots as they bimbled around the sky. The service was excellent. OK, maybe it was to ensure that a PA-28 didn't collide with one of our military aircraft but it worked (and was paid for by the Government).

I have just looked at the latest card enclosed with my 2017 chart which advertises a number of LARS units and Listening Squawks. Listening Squawks because no-one wants to talk to private pilots unless they are infringing. LARS is a mis-used term which, in truth, no longer exists because all they will give a private pilot is a pointless basic service (because of cuts in Goverment funding??).

The TRUTH is that the CAA and NATS have sat with their thimbs up a dark place while the FAA have developed NextGen. The FAA system will give radar where there isn't any through ADS-B and, of course, the spin offs are TIS for the pilot and instant identification of the controllers. I see NextGen as a win-win for private pilots in the US (and pilots have to pay to install new transponders, etc..). The UK (or EU) should pay for a NextGen system here but, of course, they won't.

All we have is 8.33 which is of no benefit to EU private pilots but is a huge expense (after the expense of Mode S and then ELTs...).

So I think many pilots have simply decided if no-one wants to talk to them and if it is going to cost thousands to fit a new radio to be able to talk to someone, then they won't bother speaking to anyone.