Annex1 and annex2 aircraft
Does anyone know if there any types of aircraft that The owner can choose to Be annex 1 or annex2 or easa/ non easa
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I should think the closest you could get is a type that can both be registered as an ELSA (annex 1) or as a (national) ultralight (annex 2). There would still be a difference in MTOW. Details must depend on your national eules and bylaws.
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Originally Posted by md 600 driver
(Post 9669713)
Does anyone know if there any types of aircraft that The owner can choose to Be annex 1 or annex2 or easa/ non easa
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Annex 2 aircraft are those that are operated in compliance with Permit certification from the Light Aircraft Association (LAA) or, the CAA here in GB.
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At the moment it isn't a matter of an owner choosing whether to go Annexe I or Annexe II. It is laid down in a list held by EASA.
Moving from Annexe I is a dreadful faff and one not to be taken lightly. You'd be better off finding an aircraft that is in the Annexe you want rather than trying to change it. |
md600driver
Go onto the LAA website. There's a list of types of Annex 2 aircraft. |
Capt kremen
Thanks but I am looking for information to see if there is any registered aircraft that for the same type some register annex1 and some register annex11 Above the clouds I also checked the caa ginfo and couldn't find any pa18 on annex1 they are all annex2 Also looking to find if anyone has ever changed their aircraft from annex1 to annex 2. Or easa to non easa Legally as I would like to have a aircraft on annex 11 rather than annex1 Thanks |
If there is a type certificate holder the aircraft will be Annex 1. If or when that company closes, sometimes years after the authorities can decide to move it to annex II, as has happened with Austers etc. But remember that the CAA was for probably more than 15 years the de facto type certificate holder. The critical point is the owner does not get to choose. He/she can make representations but nothing more.
Virtually all PA18/150s are Annex 1, the smaller older aircraft can be Annex II, depending on the authority. Homebuilt replica Pa18s can be Annex II. A considerable number of deHavilland's Austers etc have moved from I to II - but only after the authority ruled they could and the LAA agreed to administer them. In places like France the situation is at least as complicated with for instance Gardans moving from Annex I to a restricted C of A category, still administered by DGAC |
md 600 driver
Aircraft do move from Annex 1 to 2 if the original Type Certificate holder does not anymore exist. This can mean that the a/c in question is 'orphaned' and can, with some major administrative leverage, be adopted into Annex 2. That's the theory. |
Some gliders from the same manufacturer who still exists are Annex I while their older ones are Annex II.
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A kit built Pitts S2A will be annex II , a factory built Pitts S2A will be annex I - I believe
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Gasax you replied
Virtually all PA18/150s are Annex 1, the smaller older aircraft can be Annex II, depending on the authority. Homebuilt replica Pa18s can be Annex 2. I've checked on the UK CAA ginfo website and I can't find any pa18 /150 or even any other PA 18 on annex1 they are all on annex 2 (non Easa )which Easa country are you referring too please |
I've checked on the UK CAA ginfo website and I can't find any pa18 /150 or even any other PA 18 on annex1 |
they are all on annex11 |
sorry wrong terminology then annex 1 and annex 2 or easa or non easa
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Beware.
Current Basic Regulation: Annex II (Roman 2) specifies which aircraft are excluded from EASA. - thus, everything else is included Annex I (Roman 1) has nothing to do with lists of aircraft - it does 'Essential requirements for airworthiness' ... but the Basic Regulation is being revised; due out in a year or so. In this new one, the exclusion list will be in Annex I. Details of the exclusions are subject to pretty extensive debate right now. Enjoy. |
Some incorrect statements here, as 460 points out.
Annex 1 is something else. Annex 2 defines what isn't administered by EASA. This includes all amateur built aeroplanes, research aircraft, current and ex military aircraft, microlights, as well as aircraft built in small numbers and of national importance So yes, most (possibly all?) of the LAA fleet are Annex 2, .definitely all of the BMAA fleet, all the warbirds administered by the CAA, but also Concorde if it were still flying, the BAe-146-301 that gets notammed as Metman1, anything flying on E-conditions. .. If in doubt, look it up on G-INFO. If the magic phrase "non-EASA ", appears, it's Annex 2. G |
@460 & @GtE: I stand corrected, thanks.
Any explanation about WHY In this new one, the exclusion list will be in Annex I. |
Presumably just a tidy up of the layout of the regulations. UK government does it to our aviation regulations every once in a while, just as we've all got used to the paragraph numbering of the Air Navigation Order.
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Annex 2 aircraft are those that are operated in compliance with Permit certification from the Light Aircraft Association (LAA) or, the CAA here in GB. In places like France the situation is at least as complicated with for instance Gardans moving from Annex I to a restricted C of A category, still administered by DGAC |
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