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paperHanger 4th Dec 2016 17:02

Glider & Cessna midair collision
 
The glider pilot did not survive it seems.

Glider pilot dies in mid-air crash in Leicestershire - BBC News

I'm assuming that when they say "Market Harborough" they mean "Husbands Bosworth" which is a popular glider field ... so maybe it was the tow plane?

Local Variation 4th Dec 2016 17:08

That's very close to Husbands Bosworth.

DaveReidUK 4th Dec 2016 17:39

Glider was on a local flight from Husbands Bosworth:

Glider pilot killed 'after mid-air crash with light aircraft'

Nothing in the article to suggest that the light aircraft involved was the tug.

Local Variation 4th Dec 2016 17:49

Crash site just outside Lubenham, which is between Harboro and Bosworth. It came down around 6 miles from the glider site.

paperHanger 4th Dec 2016 17:53

"Nothing in the article to suggest that the light aircraft involved was the tug."

Except that the light aircraft landed safely there ...

dhc1180 4th Dec 2016 17:55

The light aircraft was not the tug.
Glider was a single seat junior and pilot was a very experienced instructor.

Glider was from HB.

Heli med on the scene pretty quickly but quite clear it wasn't survivable.

Light aircraft went on to land safely- not sure what type or where to/from- It didn't land at HB.

Local Variation 4th Dec 2016 18:53

The other aircraft involved appears to have landed safely at Leicester EGBG with substantial damage to the end of the starboard wing (C152).

DaveReidUK 4th Dec 2016 18:54


Originally Posted by paperHanger (Post 9598817)
"Nothing in the article to suggest that the light aircraft involved was the tug."

Except that the light aircraft landed safely there ...

I have no idea whether it landed there or not.

But if you're involved in a mid-air it's usually prudent to land ASAP. And if it's a glider flying on a local sortie that you hit, it wouldn't be altogether surprising if the gliding field turned out to be the closest choice. Doesn't mean that's where you departed from, or that you were towing a glider.

DaveReidUK 4th Dec 2016 21:38

The other aircraft involved in the mid-air was Cessna 150L G-CSFC, based at Hinton-in-the-Hedges, operated by Go Fly Oxford Aircraft Rentals.

Photo of the damage here:

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net...2a&oe=58BC37AF

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net...2a&oe=58BC37AF

An AAIB field investigation has been launched.

9 lives 4th Dec 2016 22:29

A sad event, the C 150 pilot did a good job in getting down safely, that damage would certainly affect how the 150 flew. Lookout and visibility are a challenge in a 150 for all the reasons we know.


Since when has a glider not been a 'Plane'?
In Canada, a long time:


aeroplane means a power-driven heavier-than-air aircraft that derives its lift in flight from aerodynamic reactions on surfaces that remain fixed during flight
Which is why aeroplane pilots are not automatically entitled to fly gliders on their aeroplane license.

mary meagher 5th Dec 2016 07:18

Glider was a single seat Junior, Polish built.

Truly amazing that the Cessna was able to land safely. No doubt the AAIB will be able to interpret what happened from the damage to the wing of the Cessna.

There used to be an air ambulance heli stationed just over the road from HB.

fisbangwollop 5th Dec 2016 07:46

A very sad loss. The pilot was well respected in both gliding circles and commercial (heavy jet) circles. My thoughts with his family and friends at this very sad time.

cats_five 5th Dec 2016 09:00

I had no idea about Balleka. :(

Arkroyal 5th Dec 2016 10:09

Mary,


The helicopter based just across the road from HB is a police helo. Not air ambulance

4Screwaircrew 5th Dec 2016 11:07

Monitoring 121.5 as this occurred, someone was holding station over the site to allow D&D to get a fix, remaining on site until the air ambulance arrived. I doubt that medical assistance could have arrived any quicker, kudos to that pilot and RIP to the glider pilot.

ballyctid 5th Dec 2016 19:11

Dave Reid, I took that picture, not sure where you got it from??

I was flying into Leicester and was overhead Market Harborough at the time, I heard the call made by the Cessna pilot, he did a very good job but amazed he didn't declare a Pan or a Mayday, in fact Leicester asked him if he was declaring an emergency and he said no,I think I would have done. He landed just after me.

terry holloway 5th Dec 2016 21:18

Have they released the pilots name?

terry holloway 8th Dec 2016 15:07


Originally Posted by terry holloway (Post 9600018)
Have they released the pilots name?

It's not yet in the public domain but it's very sad news for many who knew him.

cats_five 8th Dec 2016 17:56

It is now:

Glider who died after suspected mid-air collision is named | Leicester Mercury

terry holloway 8th Dec 2016 21:26


Originally Posted by cats_five (Post 9603247)

He was a thoroughly nice chap and a former RAF Group Captain. He will be missed by many.

b.a. Baracus 11th Dec 2016 08:18

Very sad and thoughts go out to all those involved and friends and family.

The damage to the Cessna is quite something and I am amazed that the pilot managed to return to an airfield and land successfully. It shows the importance of always flying the aeroplane regardless of the situation. Interestingly I wonder what considerations would have been made in handling the Cessna. I guess any change in configuration would have brought added risk, so perhaps best of with a flapless approach etc.

I could be wrong but whenever I hear of a mid-air between a powered light aircraft and a glider it seems that survivability tends to side with the glider pilot due to the ability to bail out if required. It is quite rare for both parties involved to land safely afterwards.

cats_five 11th Dec 2016 10:37

There are very few mid-airs between gliders and light aircraft other than glider / tug incidents - from elsewhere:

23 Jul 94 - Cessna 152 vs Glider mid air - minor injury to glider pilot
14 Jun 09 - Grob Tutor vs Glider mid air - both in the Grob died, glider pilot parachuted safely
6 May 12 - Mainair Blade vs Glider mid air (on landing) - microlight pilot seriously injured.
4 Dec 16 - Cessna vs Glider mid air - glider pilot died


4 in 24 years. There have been far more CFIT etc. in that time.

scifi 11th Dec 2016 21:00

From the photo of the Cessna, it looks as if the tip of the starboard wing was damaged, and likely to cause a lot of drag on that side.
However from the cockpit, the pilot could not have seen the full extent of the damage, and all he knew was that more left rudder input was necessary.


As to why the glider pilot did not use his parachute, sadly, even the AAIB may never be able to find out.
.

22/04 11th Dec 2016 21:19

We will need to wait for the report- But of impact was in the cockpit area it might have been not survivable from impact leaving the pilot unable bail out.

anchorhold 29th Mar 2018 15:21

I am in possession now of the CAA response to this, having requested it from the coroner, because I had concerns, it is not restricted, I just wondered if I should 'paste' it on here?

chevvron 29th Mar 2018 15:36


Originally Posted by cats_five (Post 9605778)
There are very few mid-airs between gliders and light aircraft other than glider / tug incidents - from elsewhere:

23 Jul 94 - Cessna 152 vs Glider mid air - minor injury to glider pilot

Was overhead Farnborough; C152 made it back to Blackbushe.
Diana, Princess of Wales had departed clandestinely about half an hour previously having fooled all but one of the paparazzi she was flying out of Northolt, so we were just relaxing when the glider incident happened.
I was Farnborough Tower Controller and 'scrambled' our Fire and ambulances; we didn't know there had been a collision until the glider pilot was being transported to the medical centre and the ambulance driver told us he was raving about 'that light aircraft knocked my tail off'.
Unfortunately the Leicester Mercury pages aren't on the website now; who was the glider pilot in the HB collision?

planesandthings 30th Mar 2018 17:56


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 10101132)
Unfortunately the Leicester Mercury pages aren't on the website now; who was the glider pilot in the HB collision?

The articles are still up, I've just done a quick search. The answers you want are there.

Jan Olieslagers 30th Mar 2018 18:11


having fooled all but one of the paparazzi she was flying out of Northolt
This phrase puzzles me - must I really understand HRH was taking the paparazzi for passengers? I always understood she tried to keep upwind from them ?? And then fooling those same people she just accepted and carried as passengers? The Brits have always been a bit queer, their royals not least, but this defies imagination.

And before anyone else says: my own royals have shown some queer pranks, too, yes, especially recently. Do not forget their ancestry was collected from Old Blighty!

Innominate 30th Mar 2018 19:12

Jan

Try this: "Diana, Princess of Wales had departed clandestinely [from Farnborough] about half an hour previously, having fooled all but one of the paparazzi into believing that she was flying out of Northolt"

Jan Olieslagers 30th Mar 2018 19:20

Pffieuw, thanks! So nice to have some locals who can - and will - read between the lines. This way it does make sense.

chevvron 31st Mar 2018 02:52


Originally Posted by Innominate (Post 10102422)
Jan

Try this: "Diana, Princess of Wales had departed clandestinely [from Farnborough] about half an hour previously, having fooled all but one of the paparazzi into believing that she was flying out of Northolt"

Yes; James Goldsmith positioned one of his aircraft at Northolt and another at Farnborough. How they fooled the paparazzi into going to Northolt I don't know but just one guy on a motorbike turned up at Farnborough so I was told.
Next day we had another emergency; Challenger diverted in with a windscreen panel which had lost one of its laminations. Myself and a young lady controller on both of these days; I requested not to be rostered on weekends with her any more after that!! I think she still works there part time.

chevvron 31st Mar 2018 02:56


Originally Posted by planesandthings (Post 10102357)
The articles are still up, I've just done a quick search. The answers you want are there.

Nope. All I get is 'Sorry you can't find the pages you are looking for' when I click on the links.

planesandthings 31st Mar 2018 22:53


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 10102753)
Nope. All I get is 'Sorry you can't find the pages you are looking for' when I click on the links.

Something wrong your end then. I can load the page on my phone and laptop.

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/n...al-mid-1007771


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