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Small Rodent Driver 16th Aug 2016 03:56


Taildraggers offer operational advantages in certain very specific environments (undeveloped runways, ski flying and flying boats) , and are great for improving one's piloting skills. However, the majority of aircraft operations do not benefit from these characteristics, and are sensitive to the reduced directional stability during certain phases of ground operations. Its great that pilots might become proficient in taildraggers, they will be better pilots for it. Similarly, they will be better pilots for receiving aerobatic/instrument/multi engine/night/rotorcraft training too! Learn and practice every type of flying you can!
Yeah but don't taildraggers just look a whole lot better? ;)

P-51 with a nosewheel? Nah.

Crash one 16th Aug 2016 09:57


Originally Posted by Jan Olieslagers (Post 9474412)
Tailwheels are very good indeed - for those skygods that can master them. Which was all the purpose for creating this thread, I reckon.

I'm still trying to come to terms with being a God.
Should I expect mere mortals to prostrate themselves before me?

Jan Olieslagers 16th Aug 2016 12:37

:)

It takes more to be divine than to master one particular technique. I think it must be a kind of a mindset thing.

That said, if you can stand disappointment it never hurts to expect ;)

Dan Winterland 20th Aug 2016 07:51


Tailwheels are very good indeed - for those skygods that can master them. Which was all the purpose for creating this thread, I reckon.
The purpose of creating the thread was to generate discussion - which it has done. I was interested to find out why, when a club has such an experience available, why so few pilots want to try it. There is an aircraft available, for the same cost as the PA28 which requires a slightly different set of skills, can fly aerobatics and spin. Yet, only a few people feel the need to try it. I can appreciate that some pilots just don't want to fly aerobatics, but just to experience a different form of aviation will probably make you a better pilot, even if flown for only a few hours.

ShyTorque 20th Aug 2016 09:31


I was interested to find out why, when a club has such an experience available, why so few pilots want to try it.
Probably because they are frightened of it. Due to the "aura" put in place around these so-called terribly difficult to fly aircraft.

About twenty five years ago I was offered a ride in a tail dragger, a Beagle Husky, by a private pilot with his own aircraft. He took off, then handed control to me. We flew around for a while (he wanted to take some photos) then he said it was time to go back and land. He told me I could land it, which I did. Due to a non-working intercom, I just got on with it. I three pointed it on the 400m grass runway.

He complimented me on the landing and asked me when I'd last landed a tail dragger. I told him the flight we'd just done was the first one I'd done. But I'm certainly no sky-god; I was instructing on military, nose wheel equipped SEPs at the time. Perhaps I just knew no better but I had been taught from a very early age that main wheels are for landing on and nose wheels are only for steering with after the landing is finished

Crash one 20th Aug 2016 10:05

I was taught the same way. Also taught that landing in a crosswind with a steerable nosewheel and putting the nosewheel down with a boot full of rudder was a bad idea!

Armchairflyer 20th Aug 2016 18:06


I was interested to find out why, when a club has such an experience available, why so few pilots want to try it. There is an aircraft available, for the same cost as the PA28 which requires a slightly different set of skills, can fly aerobatics and spin. Yet, only a few people feel the need to try it.
Be careful what you wish for, it may be more than your favorite aircraft can handle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23NE8mushvc
Also, a PPL friend was/is in a similar situation: badly bitten by the tailwheel bug and delighted to have the opportunity to be one of very few to regularly fly a Cub. Then another not-so-regular user recently had a groundloop and scraped a wingtip (no real harm done though, apparently).

Mav5r1k 1st Sep 2016 16:25

At the risk of sticking my head into the hornets nest I must agree with the original poster, as a relatively new pilot about (1 year/100hrs) I am already thoroughly bored of the standard club aircraft, they are simply dull to fly, to slow to take much further than a few hundred miles, a tail wheel at least takes work to fly.

(obviously before someone suggests it i'm most certainly not claiming to be anything above a distinctly average pilot)

Pilot DAR 2nd Sep 2016 15:43

Welcome Mav,

Generally, tailwheel aircraft offer a type of flying not so common for tricycle types. Sometimes it's speed, sometimes it's actually superior slow speed capability, or off airport, or alternate landing gear. But rarely is it more than one or two of these characteristics!

But, happily, every tailwheel aircraft will demand more of you as a pilot, and reward skillful flying with a greater sense of achievement, and simply fun!

IFMU 3rd Sep 2016 23:51

I'm a big fan of tailwheel airplanes. My son's second lesson this AM:
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a...468C493410.jpg

As I have matured I don't count myself as superior to nosedragger pilots. All flying is good.

Chuck Ellsworth 5th Sep 2016 01:44

It is a generational thing.

When I learned to fly there were only tail wheel airplanes to learn on so we had no idea they were so difficult to fly and thus they were not difficult.

By the way the PPL was a thirty hour minimum flying course then ...1953....a lot of us finished in the minimum thirty hours and went on to fly for decades with no problem.

However today's generation of flight instructors look on tail wheel airplanes as some kind of black magic machine and are afraid to fly them.

It is called " Ignorance "

Flyingmac 5th Sep 2016 07:26

A quick squint at what I've flown over the last ten days.
PA28
PA32 260
PA32 300
Cessna 172
Cessna 182
Jodel
Eurostar
Super Cub
R44


Love 'em all.:)

9 lives 5th Sep 2016 13:34


When I learned to fly there were only tail wheel airplanes to learn on
C'mon Chuck, the planes didn't have tailwheels back then, they had wooden skids! ;)

IFMU 5th Sep 2016 16:17

Things have really gone downhill since they ditched the skids and put a wheel on the back. Pilot skill has generally degraded with the addition of the training wheel. We still have a few skid equipped aircraft here at C77- the way it should be.


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