Part NCO and ELTs - mandatory?
The CAA having reminded us that Part NCO takes effect in the UK on 25th August prompted me to have a look. It seems to me that it makes ELTs mandatory in EASA light aircraft from that date. please tell me I'm wrong, but I cannot find a relevant derogation.
The existing CAA exemption will, I believe, only apply to Annex II aeroplanes after that date. |
From memory, you need to look at the "Acceptable Means of Compliance" which allows a PLB be used instead.
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I'm not sure how to read the regulation for aircraft older than July 2008 - it seems to say they must have an ELT but later aircraft have the option of a PLB. If they had put an "or" at the end of bullet 1 it would have been clear.
The AMCs and GM don't expand the options - just more practical detail on things like when to change batteries. Either way they cost money whereas until now there has been an exemption for non-commercial. NCO.IDE.A.170 Emergency locator transmitter (ELT) (a) Aeroplanes shall be equipped with: (1) an ELT of any type, when first issued with an individual CofA on or before 1 July 2008; (2) an automatic ELT, when first issued with an individual CofA after 1 July 2008; or (3) a survival ELT (ELT(S)) or a personal locator beacon (PLB), carried by a crew member or a passenger, when certified for a maximum passenger seating configuration of six or less. (b) ELTs of any type and PLBs shall be capable of transmitting simultaneously on 121,5 MHz and 406 MHz. |
A; B; or C is intended to be read as A or B or C.
But indeed you will have to spend money on a PLB, with questionable return in safety value. |
And a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit
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is private use classified as non commercial ops (NCO) ? |
A German once told me of a French saying, made with a typical Gallic shrug, "Hnnn, Paris is so far away".
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I hear rumours that certain countries might well continue to insist on a "real" ELT, permanently fixed in the plane - Holland comes to mind.
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Bloggs to CFI:
"Alright to go and do one circuit boss?" Boss: "Sure, but don't forget your PLB!" |
Ref Holland and ELT..
I read on another forum that as Holland would need to file a difference to EASA NCO.IDE.A.170 Emergency locator transmitter (ELT) requirements. Which they have not yet done. Then they cannot stop you from have an PLB over an ELT. |
Why do you refer to The Netherlands as Holland ?
Holland is a district within The Netherlands, a bit like an english county, so would you refer to the UK as Surrey ? |
Ref Holland and ELT.. I read on another forum that as Holland would need to file a difference to EASA NCO.IDE.A.170 Emergency locator transmitter (ELT) requirements. Which they have not yet done. Then they cannot stop you from have an PLB over an ELT. |
Re:NCO.IDE.A.170
My interpretation of this section is; that the operator is responsible for equipping the aircraft with a PLB (in our particular case) but the PIC is responsible for carrying it or having a passenger do so. This is important to our club as we use various aircraft, some of which we are not the operator. How do other forumites read that section? |
Why do you refer to The Netherlands as Holland ? 2) because the English generally seem to like vague postings, some even priding themselves in their ability of working it out just the same. Holland is a district within The Netherlands * Kerkrade being actually in Limburg - a term even much more profuse than Holland - but surely Kerkrade is not in Holland (properly spoken) and never has been. |
ELT were mandatory for all aircraft in their airspace in certain EASA countries for quite some years now, so question: is there really still a noticeable number of aircraft without?
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Thousands in the UK.
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... and a few more on the continent :)
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I'm confused.
If I go to the CAA website and search for "Part NCO" the top hit is Part NCO | Commercial industry, which seems to me to cover what is being discussed in this thread, ie. not applicable to Private Flying. Second hit is "Application regulations | General aviation" which linked page makes no mention that I can see of these requirements. So what is the concern about all this in relation to private flying? |
This is the document:
https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/fi...t-NCO%20IR.pdf Amongst others, pages 9, 10, 19 and 30 are relevant to private flying. |
The search engine on the new CAA site doesn't appear to be any better than that on the old site..............
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