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mary meagher 24th Oct 2016 18:57

I saw the BBC story - as usual attempting to give both sides...when actually there is only one. And the last word was she's planning to sue...for what, I wonder?

I started flying at age 50, and have over 3,000 hours, 1,800 instructing and competing in single seat gliders (with the three diamond solo flights all in the UK) and 1,200 hours in power, mostly pulling up gliders with a PA 150 supercub. And represented the UK in the Women's European Championships in 1989 in the Soviet Union - in a single seat (of course) Jantar III, came in last over all but didn't bend it. In fact I have never bent an aircraft, and now at 83 I have to fly with a safety pilot....and its all in my book, with photos to prove it. So there.

The problem with women doing more flying is NOT lack of ability, it is we have, in general, less money, and more important things to do. Like raising a family. We do not need to be equal to men, we have different priorities, and different qualities. Viva la difference!

Lafyar Cokov 24th Oct 2016 19:04

Well put Mary - if people like you were given the oxygen of publicity more than some others then the cause of female pilots would be furthered greatly - for all the right reasons!

I've found a strange lack of correction by Ms Curtis-Taylor on her Fakebook page - I think her lawyers should be informed!!

http://i.imgur.com/PiQZEGR.jpg

clareprop 24th Oct 2016 19:08

Lafyar:

Very good spot. That's up there with the presentation slide image...irrefutable.

Bring on the lawsuit.

paco 24th Oct 2016 19:15

I had the pleasure of flying with several excellent female pilots, even in Dubai, which was even more extraordinary.

Phil

FlyingGoat 24th Oct 2016 19:44

Maybe, as you gradually disintegrate TCT, you might reflect on an extract from Gustave Le Bon's 1895 work titled, "Psychology of Crowds":

“An individual in a crowd is a grain of sand amid other grains of sand, which the wind stirs up at will....By the mere fact that he forms part of an organised crowd, a man descends several rungs in the ladder of civilisation. Isolated, he may be a cultivated individual; in a crowd, he is a barbarian — that is, a creature acting by instinct.”

There are three causes that produce the distinct characteristics of a crowd. The first cause is anonymity. “The individual forming part of a crowd acquires, solely from numerical considerations, a sentiment of invincible power which allows him to yield to instincts which, had he been alone, he would perforce have kept under restraint. The sentiment of responsibility which always controls individuals disappears entirely in crowds.”

The second cause of a crowd’s special characteristics is contagion. “In a crowd every sentiment and act is contagious, and contagious to such a degree that an individual readily sacrifices his personal interest to the collective interest.”

The third and final cause of a crowd’s characteristics is suggestibility. “The most careful observations seem to prove that an individual immersed for some length of time in a crowd soon finds himself — either in consequence of the magnetic influence given out by the crowd, or from some other cause of which we are ignorant — in a special state, which much resembles the state of fascination in which the hypnotized individual finds himself in the hands of the hypnotist.”

27/09 24th Oct 2016 20:36

Did anyone notice anything slightly unusual in this clip posted earlier.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wXUf4NoaK3Y

I thought it highly unusual and certainly poor airmanship that Tracey was waving enthusiastically while she was commencing taxying and starting the turn onto the taxy way.

She wasn't watching where she was going and I'd have thought she would have needed both hands, one on the throttle and one on the stick. Unless of course she wasn't the Flying Pilot for that leg.

Katamarino 24th Oct 2016 20:43

I went to an airshow yesterday with all kinds of extremely experienced and respected display pilots and they were pretty much all waving enthusiastically. I think we're starting to scrape the barrel a bit when it comes to criticism on some aspects.

Chris Scott 24th Oct 2016 20:59

Interesting stuff, Flying Goat, and fair comment as a general rule.

When the documentary of her journey from Cape Town to Goodwood was first shown on BBC4, many of us watched it with no little enthusiasm (bar a few nit-picks, perhaps) and one of our regulars started a thread in the AH&N forum of PPRuNe in some praise of it:

http://www.pprune.org/aviation-histo...ml#post8906270

It wasn't until post #17 in that thread that Sam Rutherford brought us down to earth by calling into question the claim on her website and elsewhere that she had flown solo. I'm not sure his first post quite sunk in with all of us.

Talking of crowd behaviour brings to mind the old nursery tale about the King's new suit of clothes. No one dares call his bluff, and there's much sycophantic praise at his sartorial good taste. When someone eventually announces that he is indeed stark naked, however, there follows a wave of either anger or great merriment - or perhaps a combination of both. Meanwhile, the flunkies try to shut up the whistle-blowers with various threats, simultaneously putting as positive a spin on the matter as possible to the public.

Gonzo 24th Oct 2016 21:24

Wow.

I've just gone back through her Facebook timeline to the GB-Australia flight. Lots of news stories shared by her (or her PR team) with headlines including the word 'solo'. No attempt to put the record straight.

Also if you look hard enough there's a post where she's wishing those in the RN and RM a happy Christmas, with her saluting in her RNR uniform. There's a comment from someone asking where she got her military wings from.

There was no reply.

mikehallam 24th Oct 2016 22:02

Headline seen on the Independent Newspaper (UK)

"The Independent
Whenever you lie, your brain adjusts to make telling bigger whoppers easier, study finds"

Whenever you lie, your brain adjusts to make telling bigger whoppers easier, study finds | The Independent

mike hallam

Cessnafly 24th Oct 2016 22:14

LIAR BIRD IN A BIPLANE? Brit aviator stripped of award but denies making ‘false assertions’ about solo South Africa to UK flight
The Sun‎ - 18 mins ago








https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...WDPkDwkdq05O1Q

Fly-by-Wife 24th Oct 2016 22:28


“The most careful observations seem to prove that an individual immersed for some length of time in a crowd soon finds [her]self — either in consequence of the magnetic influence given out by the crowd, or from some other cause of which we are ignorant — in a special state, which much resembles the state of fascination in which the hypnotized individual finds [her]self in the hands of the hypnotist.”
Sounds very much like TCT amongst her PR team, sponsors and patrons.

FBW

Mike Flynn 25th Oct 2016 03:15

Tracey now appears to be back tracking on the solo claims despite hundreds of articles she failed to correct.

However in both of her long distance flight she claimed to be emulating Mary Heath and Amy Johnson.

Both of those women flew alone,solo,without other pilots on board etc.

A reminder here of the meaning of emulate.


match or surpass (a person or achievement), typically by imitation.
"most rulers wished to emulate Alexander the Great"
synonyms: imitate, copy, reproduce, mimic, mirror, echo, follow, model oneself on, take as a model, take as an example;

piperboy84 25th Oct 2016 03:17

Expanding on WeeJeems "follow the money" theme (post 2039). Contained in TCT's "Damage and Distress" statement is the following:

"The expedition was project managed by Nylon Films and they controlled the expedition website 'Cape Town to Goodwood' and its promotional information and sub-contractors"

I wonder just how Nylon paid for either their direct employees salaries, sub-contractor invoices or any bills whatsoever for filming the expedition, as according to Companies House a "dormant company" filing was made for the fiscal years before, during and after the documentary was shot signifying Nylon had zero income or expenses and no assets or liabilities. Surely the final edit of TCT's trip being in the can and ready to flog to broadcasters would have a significant value to reflect on their balance sheet?

piperboy84 25th Oct 2016 04:01

Oh Oh, its looking like it wasn't just Colin Powell that bullshitted the UN.:=

Where global solutions are shaped for you | Library & Archives | Tracey Curtis Taylor. Epic Adventures in Aviation. - Film Screening: "The Aviatrix"

Mike Flynn 25th Oct 2016 04:09

The UN chose this picture to promote that talk and screening.
https://s18.postimg.org/mexdwgl09/image.jpg
Ewald clearly trying to hide from the cameras in Sydney.


I don't think Nylon Films controlled TCT accepting the Bill Woodham trophy knowing she did not deserve it.

Or the solo certificate from the Australian Women Pilots Association.

piperboy84 25th Oct 2016 04:17


I don't think Nylon Films controlled TCT accepting the Bill Woodham trophy knowing she did not deserve it.
So who did write the cheques for the filming with a view no doubt of a healthy return on the back of TCT's "solo" and award winning (now rescinded) flights when the documentary was sold?

BEagle 25th Oct 2016 04:44

I see that certain Hungarian IP address user has been editing the 'controversy' section of the woman's Wikipedia entry yet again....:rolleyes:

Thus making it even more of a complete farce.

There was a 3 minute piece on the BBC's South Today about the woman's exploits yesterday evening - see BBC iPlayer - South Today - Evening News: 24/10/2016 from 08:54 - the link is only available for UK viewers with TV licences and will be discontinued after 14:00 (UK time) today.

Mike Flynn 25th Oct 2016 05:08

Sadly I cannot watch that as I am not in the UK.

What did it say?

I guess stock footage mostly.

Did they interview her?

tmmorris 25th Oct 2016 06:47

No interview but at least the BBC understands the meaning of 'solo' and is very clear about it. Oddly almost all the film clips of her flying show her solo - almost as if she made sure those were the only ones she made available to the media...


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