PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Private Flying (https://www.pprune.org/private-flying-63/)
-   -   Tracey Curtis-Taylor (Merged threads) (https://www.pprune.org/private-flying/579030-tracey-curtis-taylor-merged-threads.html)

coldair 22nd Oct 2016 21:53

Piperboy,

I somehow suspect that it's not all over yet ( I hope )

I'm sure that that a few more lines of newsprint are to appear before too long.



coldair

hillbillyholiday 22nd Oct 2016 22:11


Originally Posted by clareprop
I think they are wasting their time playing around with it now - just delaying the inevitable. Once the LAA minutes are out the story will gather pace and the broadsheets will have to print something. As I understand (from about twenty pages or so ago on this thread) that is the level of reporting needed by the busy souls who populate Wikipedia.

Hello again. Your friendly Wikipedia spokesman here.

Yes, the busy souls have indeed seen the new controversy section! Although it is unsourced, I for one am content to let it stand, "verifiability" be damned! It's not like I get paid to patrol Wikipedia's super-duper online defamation service. No doubt someone will be along shortly with the dustpan and brush.

As I said previously, she probably wasn't notable enough for an entry, but those sources celebrating her "solo" flight would've made it hard to delete. Now of course, she has clearly demonstrated her notoriety ... by being the first person in British aviation history to ever have a prestigious aviation award rescinded.[citation_needed]

:D

Once a decent source is found for all this, her article, and in particular that stain on her career, can't be scrubbed for love nor money. For all of time.

There is, I should think, a moral here somewhere.



By the way, if there's any lingering suspicion that I am working on behalf of TCT, please see this edit to Amy Johnson's article from a few weeks ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php...ldid=740773218


9 lives 22nd Oct 2016 22:22


As I said previously, she probably wasn't notable enough for an entry, but those sources celebrating her "solo" flight would've made it hard to delete. Now of course, she has clearly demonstrated her notoriety ... by being the first person in British aviation history to ever have a prestigious aviation award rescinded.
Kharma! Excellent. I as a four decades long GA pilot am happy when honour is upheld. Thanks to the LAA for acting responsibly, and Jay Sata for following through on his beliefs.

Though it does not affect me, and I respect the fine intentions of the HCAP, I do hope they will review their choice for award recipients, and award honour and truth, rather than mundane notoriety.

Now, I read MOD, that is the Ministry of Defense? I'll keep my eye on their interest in TCT (and pride in their uniform, I imagine).....

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 22nd Oct 2016 22:30

This is the only result that could have come from this sorry saga. As I said in a much earlier post, HCAP and LAA plus many many others have been duped.

I see this as just the start in getting to the whole truth now. Thank you LAA for upholding democracy. Thank you Jay and Sam for bringing this into the limited spotlight; I believe that now there has been a positive action taken, more will follow. I wait to see how HCAP deal with this.
:D

Crash one 22nd Oct 2016 23:19

The fact that this woman had the gall to defend her actions at the LAA AGM I think is appalling.
She and her PR machine still don't realise that she, and they, have insulted every aeroplane pilot on the planet, all of whom can look back with pride at that entry in their log book. Exercise 14, first solo, every first solo cross country, their solo QXC. She has belittled all of this, yet she has not a grain of regret.

Genghis the Engineer 23rd Oct 2016 00:08

Makes you wonder if she hasn't convinced herself that Black is White, and believes her own hype?

G

Stanwell 23rd Oct 2016 01:10

Spot on, Genghis.
The sad thing is that she'd managed to convince so many otherwise intelligent people in positions of responsibility
that jet black is only just a darker shade of light grey.
That's the bit that worries me.

Kr2 worldtour 23rd Oct 2016 05:25

The right decision personally.
 
Haven't really said much about this topic as I'm quite biased and this sort of thing only comes around to bite you. But I have been following with interest, my name is on that trophy after all.

Anyway they say sometimes a simple symbol can say a thousand words.

From the Russian Chinese border... :)

www.kr2worldtour.com

Mike Flynn 23rd Oct 2016 05:38

No chance of another pilot hiding in the KR2 Colin?
You must be 'windblown ,sunburnt and punch drunk' :D

When do you leave for Japan?

megan 23rd Oct 2016 06:07

Love to see/hear what TCT had to say at the LAA meeting. Anybody?

Mike Flynn 23rd Oct 2016 06:26

This from one of my informants


Her speech was typical TCT. "I've just got back from China where we're going to be reaching out....empowering women..... I am trying to encourage women into aviation which your own demographics show you need.

Where are the youngsters here? Where are the women?"

Really just a load of waffle along the same lines however.......her attempt at the sympathy card was to say that this was all the result of an internet campaign by mainly Sam Rutherford and Jay Sata. She said something like "I don't personally engage in social media....my PR people do that.." She's on Facebook, Twitter, LinkdIn plus of course her own website. Clearly she doesn't do social media.

Oh, and apparently Sam and Jay and others have "manipulated my Wikipedia page...". Apparently it's all been reported to the Metropolitan Police.

There really wasn't much else from lots of outreaching, all irrelevant to the matter in hand.She did take the time to say she did the flight to the Cape "...with crew, I've never made any claims about not doing this with a crew...".
So there we have it...a solo flight with crew:ok:

I hope to have more information later but although early afternoon where I am it is still early morning in the UK.

If she has been in China trying to encourage women pilots then she has left it a bit late.


China's Air Force has been training female pilots for six decades. But women flying one of the world's most lethal fighter jets are a fairly recent development – and they’re breaking barriers. Reporter Han Bin was given rare access to the four female fighter pilots, who are conquering the skies with their skill and determination.

http://english.cctv.com/2016/08/01/V...MA160801.shtml

Haraka 23rd Oct 2016 06:39


reaching out....empowering women
Surprised she isn't flying a "Boeing Stearperson" .......:)




"I don't personally engage in social media....my PR people do that..
I would expect she will be strongly advised by them to now follow that dictum.

The Old Fat One 23rd Oct 2016 07:19

I'd suggest if TCT is going to speak live she is going to self incriminate, so somebody needs to record her comments.

for example


Apparently it's all been reported to the Metropolitan Police.
Did she actually say those words? If so, they look like very naive and potentially damaging bluster.

Libel/defamation are civil matters, nought to do with the police. And she is lawyered up with a specialist in the field, so presumably has been so advised.

Wasting police time on the other hand, is a criminal offence.

RomeoTangoFoxtrotMike 23rd Oct 2016 08:21


Originally Posted by The Old Fat One (Post 9549891)
I'd suggest if TCT is going to speak live she is going to self incriminate, so somebody needs to record her comments.

for example

Did she actually say those words? If so, they look like very naive and potentially damaging bluster.

Libel/defamation are civil matters, nought to do with the police. And she is lawyered up with a specialist in the field, so presumably has been so advised.

Wasting police time on the other hand, is a criminal offence.


There are a number of criminal offences which do exist in relation to computer systems, to which Ms CT. may have been alluding. The chances of any of them having been committed in this case is small, and the liklihood of the MP bothering to even investigate to see if they have been is from "vanishingly small" to zero.


[ IANAL, but I do know something about computer security. PM me if you want further. ]

Steve6443 23rd Oct 2016 08:49


Originally Posted by Norman Hedgekinson (Post 9549634)
The wikipedia (the free encyclopaedia that *anyone* can edit) entry quoted is not correct. I flew in and was in the room. The bloke from the prize committee made it plain that the prize was for some other earlier flight. So much BS on all sides...
That said, I voted not *for* TCT but *against* a foolish motion attempting to involve the LAA in a personal squabble. And, if you read the actual motion (doh!), it's "for review of the award..." so if they have any sense remaining, the LAA will "review" it and then leave well alone.

Either your command of english is extremely poor, failing to understand what the word AND denotes OR you failed to read the full motion. The motion was 'for review of the award AND RESCIND IT'. By simply 'reviewing the award' and leaving well alone, as you propose, the LAA are actually failing to comply with a debated and successfully passed motion......

clareprop 23rd Oct 2016 09:11

Very interesting battle on Wikipedia at the moment with yesterday's entry removed. The removing editors IP address is 31.46.236.14 which is an IP based in Hungary. Now then, who do we know who is based in Hungary...? :)

pilotmike 23rd Oct 2016 09:28

Now that the award of the Trophy has been rescinded, isn't is rather pathetic that certain 'pro T C-T' supporters' best efforts are to repeatedly remove reference to this embarrassment from her Wiki page?

Obviously the rescinding of the award must be hugely humiliating for the whole T C-T team, but at every stage of this unfolding story, there has been ample opportunity to stop digging, to do the honourable thing by admitting to the misleading information (known as lying), and apologising. For reasons known only to them, this still isn't happening. Until it does, the self-inflicted humiliation will simply continue, in ever greater quantity.

Constantly trying to edit out the fact that she has been rumbled and publicly humiliated appears utterly futile - akin to shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic.

Until she, her supporters and her PR team do the required spectacular climb-down and admit their game is up, this show is simply going to run and run. Every indication is that this entertaining show of a spectacular forthcoming fall is going to run for a while yet...

Using the media to draw attention for self-aggrandisement can have highly capricious results, as so many celebrities have found to their cost. It is not dissimilar to flying: even the slightest misjudgement or indiscretion can lead to wreckage in an instant, whether helicopters, biplanes, integrity or reputations.

Norman Hedgekinson 23rd Oct 2016 10:07

@Steve6443: I stand (partially) corrected!
The Agenda handed out at the meeting says "Motion for review of the award of the Bill Woodhams Trophy to Tracey Curtis-Taylor"
But the proxy form sent out to the membership says "Motion rescinding Bill Woodhams Award to Tracey Curtis-Taylor"
So the postal proxy votes were for a different motion to that voted on at the meeting.
Ho hum.

Crash one 23rd Oct 2016 10:22

Does anyone have a copy of the agenda and the proxy form. Because this piece of krap needs to be clarified before it turns into a separate pointless debate.

BEagle 23rd Oct 2016 11:24

After the first Hungarian IP address owner at Vag, Győr-Moson-Sopron, was warned by Wikipedia that he(?) would be banned if the ongoing edit war wasn't stopped, a different Hungarian IP address user has now popped up to amend the 'controversy' section yet again...

The IP is again traced to Győr-Moson-Sopron, not a million km from Meidl Airport near Sopron, Hungary, at which a certain restoration and maintenance facility is located...

The 'controversy' was subsequently amended to a mere 2 lines....:\ As a result it doesn't make sense to anyone reading the article for the first time, as the obvious question is "Why was it rescinded - on what grounds?"

The original version read:


On October 22 2016, at the Annual General Meeting of the Light Aircraft Association, a motion was debated to rescind Curtis-Taylor's award of the Bill Woodhams trophy. The trophy had been presented to her on the basis that the LAA understood Curtis-Taylor had flown solo from both Cape Town, South Africa, to the United Kingdom and from the United Kingdom to Sydney, Australia as had been reported in mainstream UK media and presented at speaking events by Curtis-Taylor. Subsequently, the LAA became aware that this had not been the case and Curtis-Taylor had in fact flown with other people in the front cockpit of her aircraft. The motion to rescind the award was carried by 123 votes to 65.
But now, (at 12:35 BST) it has been amended by an 'eye wittness (sic) to read:


On October 22 2016, at the Annual General Meeting of the Light Aircraft Association, a motion was debated to rescind Curtis-Taylor's award of the Bill Woodhams trophy. The motion to rescind the award was carried by 123 votes to 65. The majority of members attending the meeting voted for her, but mostly anonymous internet votes tilted it the other way. A day that split the LAA, in a debate based on mis-interpretations and private attacks.
Childish attempts to suppress the truth just make this woman and her followers look ever more ridiculous!


All times are GMT. The time now is 03:57.


Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.