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WeeJeem 21st Oct 2016 12:08


Originally Posted by airpolice (Post 9548017)
So...... if something good (but untrue) is printed about her, she can't control that so just lets it slide..... but if something bad (but true) is printed, she needs to set the lawyers on the writer?

Am I getting that bit right?

Depends.

If you're meaning how things like


Originally Posted by Wikipedia
... had her first flying lesson at the age of 16, in British Columbia. She started to fly more regularly while living in New Zealand in the early 1980s, first in Queenstown and later at Ardmore Aerodrome in Auckland. In Auckland she earned her private and commercial pilot's licences ...
(source)

somehow get misinterpeted and misunderstood - time and time again, by all manner of people and organisations, from all walks of life - into things like


Originally Posted by Sydney Airport Message Board
A pleasure to meet you Tracey, and hear about your epic journey. Tracey gained her Pilots licence at age 16, just like me.

http://www.16right.com/Aircraft-Imag...Phone-0561.jpg
(source)



then, yes, I think you probably are getting that bit right. :ok:

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 21st Oct 2016 13:16

I know I keep banging on about it but...

Dear TCT, why else would you wear RAF Pilot Wings when you have no right to do so, unless of course it is to mislead others into thinking you are a little more special than you actually are.

Feel free to send your reply via your solicitor if it makes you feel better. I will be more than happy to direct her to the cases where successful prosecutions for similar misrepresentation of awards have been through the legal system.

Mike Flynn 21st Oct 2016 13:30

Satco's Whipping Boy asked


Dear TCT, why else would you wear RAF Pilot Wings when you have no right to do so, unless of course it is to mislead others into thinking you are a little more special than you actually are.

Feel free to send your reply via your solicitor if it makes you feel better. I will be more than happy to direct her to the cases where successful prosecutions for similar misrepresentation of awards have been through the legal system.
https://s11.postimg.org/m52d74sbn/image.jpg

Can I suggest either being well connected or having a lot of front?
TCT with Prince Michael of Kent,King George V's grandson and HM the Queens cousin.

I understand the RAF brevet on her flying suit is from the King George V era.
To quote BEagle on post 1596

I also note that the RAF Flying Badge which That Woman is wearing is surmounted by a king's crown, rather than a queen's crown. So it must be at least 64 years old and cannot have been issued later than 10 years before she was born....

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 21st Oct 2016 13:54

Thank you Jay.

For the information of all on here, and a solid piece of evidence, I contacted the Telegraph to clarify the "quote" that was published in their newspaper as far back as October 2015.

Here is a copy of my email to them:


Dear Sir, I am writing to ask for clarification regarding a quotation in a Telegraph article 1 October 2015.

I am trying to determine if this is what was actually said, if it was recorded or if it is "artistic licence" to add impact to the story. The crux of it all is the last three words "...on my own". Miss Curtis Taylor is claiming that she has never sought to indicate that her flights were SOLO but the Telegraph article suggests otherwise. There are now steps being taken within the aviation world to have the awards and accolades she has been granted, on the assumption she was SOLO, withdrawn. I have an interest in this matter and would appreciate an honest response.

The article, written by Nicola Harley, was:
Female pilot starts epic solo flight to copy Amy Johnson
Part way down the page we see a body of text in quotation marks and attributed to the pilot Tracey Curtis-Taylor.
"When I was younger I was told by the military that I couldn't join because I'm a woman, and now look at me - I'm flying to the other side of the world on my own."
Tracey Curtis-Taylor

The link to the article is here : Female pilot starts epic solo flight to copy Amy Johnson - Telegraph

Kind regards

**********

I have now had a response from The Telegraph:


Our Ref: 1046482

21 October 2016

Dear *******,

Thank you for your recent communication to The Telegraph.
Further to your enquiry, I have liaised with the journalist who has confirmed that they are the exact quotes.

Yours sincerely,

Katie Archer
Editorial Compliance Executive

Telegraph Media Group

So, on or before 1 October 2015, TCT WAS telling journalists that her flight was, and I quote " on my own".

Mike Flynn 21st Oct 2016 14:16

Daily Telegraph and TCT
 
Someone is not telling the truth here.

Her lawyers letters clearly states


These allegations are untrue. Ms Curtis-Taylor has never sought to mislead anyone aboutthe way that her flights were undertaken. By way of example, this is immediately apparent,from watching the documentary made about her 2013 flight. Whenever she is interviewedin it, she repeatedly refers to “we”, “we’re”, “everyone” and “everybody”. In a number of
shots, it is obvious that there is someone sitting in the cockpit in front of her. Finally, theDVD extras feature short films in which others are flying with her.(sic)
So how did she get quoted by Daily Telegraph journalist Nicola Harley?

When I was younger I was told by the military that I couldn't join because I'm a woman, and now look at me - I'm flying to the other side of the world on my own."
Tracey Curtis-Taylor
No sole pilot stuff there but a good solid "on my own".

Is the compliance editor lying in her email below?


Our Ref: 1046482

21 October 2016

Dear *******,

Thank you for your recent communication to The Telegraph.
Further to your enquiry, I have liaised with the journalist who has confirmed that they are the exact quotes.

Yours sincerely,

Katie Archer
Editorial Compliance Executive

Telegraph Media Group
I wonder how many other newspapers and magazines have 'misquoted' her?

Most if not all journalists keep shorthand notebooks or audio recordings of their interviews in case legal issues arise in the future. I would be surprised if Nicola has not got her interview filed.

clareprop 21st Oct 2016 14:55

Well that email from the DT would seem to be the evidence that various editors are requiring for the wikipedia page. They won't allow 'tabloid' quotes but one presumes, that would be a verifiable quote so could be entered.

BatteryMaster 21st Oct 2016 15:53

Fascinating how just one example (the documentary film) has been picked as the example of where "we", "everyone" etc was used. Surely there's a whole range of sources available where "we" was used to prove this beyond reasonable doubt. And everyone else has therefore got it wrong? That's of interest, particularly now the Telegraph writer has double-checked their quotes...

Other than that and the handful of statements intended to 'clear up' the entire matter, I would be interested to be shown a greater assortment of instances whereby the team nature of the trips have been highlighted. The Boeing article, as an example close to hand, uses a vast number of "I" and "My" but there's no mention of others being involved in the trip.

Why was Ewald so happy to pose for private photographs but, it appears, not so widely displayed in a public setting?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CupsTPyWgAEFfBV.jpg

This found on a Romanian airport services Twitter page following a search of TCT's name.

Chris Scott 21st Oct 2016 17:18

FWIW, this was the situation at the new year, after her arrival at Darwin:

http://www.pprune.org/aviation-histo...ml#post9226040

Quote:
Is Ms Curtis-Taylor now claiming to have flown the whole journey to Darwin solo, as per her stated mission - still included on her website:
"...following in the slipstream of aviator Amy Johnson to recreate her pioneering solo flight from Great Britain to Australia" ?
Or is she merely allowing the media to assume that she did?

Katamarino 21st Oct 2016 17:48


Originally Posted by airpolice (Post 9548278)
For her whole life. a burning desire, yet she's only recently done it?

I have a burning desire to fly around the world, and own an airplane. However I also have a job, bills to pay, etc etc and can't just drop everything on a whim, invest $100k+, and run off to do it. I see nothing suspect in that quote.

deefer dog 21st Oct 2016 19:07

If anyone has any information related to flights carried out by TCT during the period 3rd to 13th May 2016, please PM me or post here.

Details of these flights are crucial in order to fit the last pieces of a rather confusing puzzle into place.

Please DO NOT rely on TCT's twitter feed as the dates may not exactly coincide with flights she claimed to have made. Similarly her published schedule may not have been flown exactly as planned, so I really need PRECISE routes, dates, and if possible times of departure and landings.

Thanks, Deefer

deefer dog 21st Oct 2016 19:28

Thanks, I'm not looking into flights in UK right now, but rather those leading up to her prang in USA. I have some information that I would rather not expand on right now in case anyone close to TCT decides to change or "clarify" statements already made, or worse attempt silence those who I am in contact with.

The flights I need details relate to those carried out during the period 3rd May 2016 up to when she landed at Winslow before the accident flight.

POB would be useful info, but the reason for my inquiry is not related to who was actually in the plane, unless it was other than TCT as P1.

It is an obscure inquiry I know, but I am working on a hunch. If my hunch is correct then there is more of this story to come out. Please bear with me. If it comes to nothing I will let you know, but for the time being this detail is CRUCIAL in order for me to establish the facts.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 21st Oct 2016 21:50

Deefer, one place to look is the websites of the local newspapers where you think N56200 was or should have been prior to Winslow.

Searching for TCT reveals hundreds of results but a narrow search can reveal more. e.g this report states she was in Santa Monica 11th May 2016

Aviator Tracey Curtis-Taylor close to completing historic US airmail route | abc7.com


You might be able to piece together a timeline or at least use the info to verify FB/Twitter post timings. :ok:

deefer dog 21st Oct 2016 23:14

Thanks SATCO, very useful. It seems that the plan was for her then to fly to Vegas, and then Colorado. I really need confirmation of the dates of these flights if I am to confirm my suspicion.

On another note, although I'm sure this has been posted previously, I came upon this little gem. The interviewer (from Pilot mag) asked her...


If you hadn’t been flying solo, who would have been your ideal co-pilot?
and she gleefully sidestepped the issue with this VERY long winded, but ever so convincing dodge of the question....


Although this was primarily a solo flight, certainly at the outset, I often took members of the crew and sponsors with me in the Stearman for reasons of expediency or indeed just so that they could share the experience. I did one flight with Bill Sykes, a retired air force pilot and local historian, who was based in Bulawayo and we tried to find the site where Lady Heath crash landed in 1928.

I also did two wonderful flights with Ian Craig over the Lewa Conservancy where we flew just above tree level, skimming along rivers and through low lying valleys spotting rhino and elephant and the skeletal remains of murdered animals. This is one of the most beautiful parts of Africa, yet it is also a harrowing killing field where a huge 24hr a day conservation effort is being made to try and protect the wildlife from poachers. It was a real eye-opener to see this first hand and to see the fantastic work that the Tusk Trust is doing in these communities.

If I had to choose a co-pilot for my next flight, I think it would be huge fun to take Prince Harry but that might present a few security issues. I have a great friend at Boeing, Rick McCrary, who is a retired SR-71 Blackbird pilot, so a bit of a hero to me. He appreciates how special the Stearman is, so I think he would be top of my list for people to take.fo. I did one flight with Bill Sykes, a retired air force pilot and local historian, who was based in Bulawayo and we tried to find the site where Lady Heath crash landed in 1928.

I also did two wonderful flights with Ian Craig over the Lewa Conservancy where we flew just above tree level, skimming along rivers and through low lying valleys spotting rhino and elephant and the skeletal remains of murdered animals. This is one of the most beautiful parts of Africa, yet it is also a harrowing killing field where a huge 24hr a day conservation effort is being made to try and protect the wildlife from poachers. It was a real eye-opener to see this first hand and to see the fantastic work that the Tusk Trust is doing in these communities.
It was CERTAINLY a solo expedition at the outset - this she makes clear. But nevertheless it remained (she said "was") a solo expedition. She claimed her that she OFTEN took members (plural) of the crew and sponsors for "reasons of expediency or indeed just so that they could share the experience." I wonder who, in addition to Ian Craig and Bill Sykes, got a ride in the front seat - other than Ewald the engineer and very experienced ATPL pilot/instructor?

BatteryMaster 22nd Oct 2016 00:40

To me, the Ian Craig flights in particular - seeing as there were two of them - appear to have been A-A flights (as opposed to A-B legs as part of the wider trip). Would be interested to know if other passengers/crew members were ever taken on flights that were not merely local flights returning to the same point of departure, i.e. actually covering air miles.

Mike Flynn 22nd Oct 2016 02:27

Satco...

Searching for TCT reveals hundreds of results but a narrow search can reveal more. e.g this report states she was in Santa Monica 11th May 2016
That was the day the tv station aired the report. I suspect recorded a day earlier?

What puzzles me is what was she doing in Winslow? There is nothing there apart from inhospitable landscape.

Flagstaff is a GA airport nearby and has a much longer runway than Winslow.

They had spent the day filming in the Grand Canyon.


The pilot added that earlier in the day, they had flown three flights, totaling about 5 hours of flight time. The flights included uneventful takeoffs from two airports with a higher density altitude.
http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.av...16LA106&akey=1

Which airports are they? Dare I suggest Grand Canyon National Park (6608amsl) and Flagstaff (7014 amsl)


11th May
Stunning scenery as we fly past the #GrandCanyon and push on East today to #Mesa #Phoenix #Arizona Boeing Company #AdventureisGREAT#USA2016
Surely from the Grand Canyon to Mesa she would be flying south west?

This was the day of the accident.


On May 11, 2016, about 1710 mountain standard time, a Boeing B75N1, N56200, was substantially damaged during a forced landing following a partial loss of engine power during takeoff initial climb at the Winslow-Lindbergh Regional Airport (INW), Winslow, Arizona. The airplane was registered to 3G Classic Aviation LLC., and operated by the pilot under the provisions of Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91. The private pilot and her passenger were not injured. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed, and no flight plan was filed for the personal flight. The cross-country flight was originating at the time of the accident with an intended destination of Phoenix, Arizona.
I can only assume it was a fuel stop after filming in or around the Grand Canyon.

On departure it was a short flight at the end of the day and they must have been planning to night stop in Phoenix? It appears flights were not always to the next point on the route but for additional air to air work.

By her own admission in many reports the Spirit of Artemis was often flown very low for dramatic effect on the film they were making.

Could this accident have been caused during such low level air to air work?

This was late afternoon on what according to the report had been a very busy day and after five hours flying the pilot must have felt tired.

megan 22nd Oct 2016 07:36


Is Ms Curtis-Taylor now claiming to have flown the whole journey to Darwin solo, as per her stated mission - still included on her website
Chris Scott, video of TCT arriving in Darwin. Should answer the "solo" question.


27/09 22nd Oct 2016 07:59

It would be very telling to see what all the PR info sent to each of the media outlets said about the solo status of these flights.

Where did the reporter for that video piece get the solo info from, especially since it's obvious from the video that flight wasn't solo.

I know it's normal to pull radials through prior to start, but after a flight? Was that and the oil check also hammed up for the camera too.

Mike Flynn 22nd Oct 2016 08:16

TCT Darwin
 
The info came from the press releases.

I got James Dunlevie at the ABC to correct the story below later.
Adventurer Tracey Curtis-Taylor's England-to-Australia flight a homage to aviation pioneer Amy Johnson - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)



Editorís note (June 1, 2016): An earlier version of this story suggested this was a solo flight. It has now been updated to clarify Ms Curtis-Taylor was the only pilot to fly the vintage bi-plane, but she had a support team of engineers travelling with her in a separate aircraft, as well as a camera crew, who would sometimes sit in with her.

BEagle 22nd Oct 2016 09:11

And yet the photo is still captioned:


Adventurer Tracey Curtis-Taylor speaks to media in Darwin after her 20 day solo flight from England
:rolleyes:

BobD 22nd Oct 2016 10:46

Just arrived for the LAA AGM, and TCT is here ! This should get interesting.......


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