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Stanwell 21st Sep 2016 20:02

And..
I also think that Prince 'Rent-a-Royal' might be well advised to distance himself from TCT for the moment.

I understand that, once again, a parliamentary committee has raised questions about his occupancy of the 21-room 'apartment' at Kensington Palace -
- toward which he presently contributes 70 quid a week.
Now, as it appears he's done some 'consultancy work' for them, perhaps Artemis Investments might see their way clear to help him out with an advance to see him through this troubling time - now that Boris Berezovsky's no longer around to kick the can.

Assuming he could navigate, perhaps Tracey could take him up to have a look around the area for alternative digs - commensurate with
his standing in the community, that is.
.

ak7274 21st Sep 2016 20:13

It has been a very contentious issue and initially TCT looked to have deserved the award, but further information has come to light and the HCAP hasn't yet responded, but the senior executive of the LAA has.................... how about some credit?
He is the CEO of the LAA and the members will decide at the AGM. He has one vote, as do I.
Your tenacity in exposing the farce does you credit and I for one applaud you, but not everyone deserves vilifying.

Haraka 21st Sep 2016 20:30

I guess it all has something to do with the dilemma of perhaps personally wanting to act as a Principled Pilot ,whilst having to balance publically performing the expected duty of his position to act as Pontious Pilate.
I don't envy him.

Mike Flynn 21st Sep 2016 20:48

The first rule of PR is face the facts and be honest.

The sponsors names on the Spirit of Artemis aircraft emerge from this debacle with egg on their faces or to put it more bluntly commercial sponsorship deceception.

They tried to lie and cheat and were found out.

Boeing Aircraft Corporation, Artemis Investments, and the the associated commercial sponsors then roped in genuine organisations such as the Royal Navy and Royal Marines Charity.

That allowed the media to interpret an endorsement on what was without doubt a series of sham solo flights.

Where the story goes now we have to wait and see.:ok:

However it is fast becoming the sort of stuff tabloids love and PR people hate.

Meanwhile,Jay Sata is free for November to undertake a series of questions and answer sessions with TCT across the UK as long as Artemis pay expenses.:ok:

9 lives 21st Sep 2016 21:51


Tracey Curtis-Taylor was unavailable for comment
I had the impression that she would comment to anyone who would listen!?

Haraka 21st Sep 2016 22:08

......or go to the opening of an envelope (if accompanied by somebody who could navigate) :)

But see: " a) Evasion" in my post #1404 above.

Chris the Robot 21st Sep 2016 22:38

I've been following this for a while and I've been left a little confused.

Recently I flew a cross-country in a motorglider under test conditions, it was only the second time a had used a half-mil in an aircraft and had absolutely no problem flying by dead reckoning. I passed the test though I'll be doing a refresher ahead of next summer to keep my field selection up to scratch.

How can a 1400 hour pilot have problems navigating with a quarter-mil or a half-mil, let alone a GPS? I know it's Africa and an open-cockpit machine is a little less comfortable than a motorglider yet with that sort of experience I'd have thought that dead reckoning would come fairly naturally. A GPS with a "direct to" function would surely make it a doddle.

I could understand if we were talking about an RAF fast jet low level environment because there are people who wouldn't have the natural aptitude for it, however this should be bread and butter stuff.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 21st Sep 2016 22:43

I think I have solved this confusion.
TCT uses the word solo quite a lot in various articles and presentations, we have mistaken that to be the adjective indicating doing something alone.

What she is really commenting on is the acronym SOLO; Sat Observing, Lackey Operating.

I think we owe an apology for our obvious misunderstanding ;)



That article is going to poke the hornets nest, and rightly so, well done to all involved.

Mike Flynn 21st Sep 2016 23:03

She seem adept at navigating her way around the media but I see storm clouds on the horizon:D

When well respected senior GA expert and ex CAA man Barry Tempest says this to a national newspaper journalist, you have to question where this topic is leading.


Mr Tempest, who has been a member of the LAA for 50 years, said: "I am proposing that the award be rescinded and that her name be removed from the annals of the Light Aircraft Association.

"I have the greatest of respect for women pilots but I think Tracey Curtis-Taylor has not done a lot the further their case."I think she is a boastful lady who needs bringing down a peg or two.

"She made these claims about flying solo, or at least that is what we were lead to believe, and now it has come out that they were not that at all. Far from it.

"I believe the integrity of the LAA is at stake and it is important that we right this wrong."

The story goes on to say...


The Honourable Company of Air Pilots awarded her its Master's Medal for 2016 for the flight but it is understood there has also been concern within its circles about her claims.
My advice to the Honourable Company Of Air Pilots is read this quote from Barry Tempest.


Your claimed exploits have put the cause of Women in Aviation back 40 years. If you accept the HCAP award in the autumn you should be ashamed.
Is it really worth having the HCAP dragged in to the mud over a Walter Mitty/reality tv show debacle?

Can you face the tabloids in late October who mock your Masters Medal to Tim Peake with Tracey Curtis Taylor?

The Daily Express newsdesk have been a bit naughty in using unflattering pictures of our 'aviatrix' who likes to pose these days.http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/...ane-712989.jpghttp://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/...ane-660420.jpg

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/712...-biplane-award

Mike Flynn 21st Sep 2016 23:38

Tracey and Prince Michael
 
Meanwhile while the Daily Express run their expose the old Kent Messenger or Kent live as it now calls itself has had a front page lead.

Our 'Inspirational Aviatrix' has enlisted her friend Prince Michael to assist her.

Read more at A statue of multiple world record holder Amy Johnson has been unveiled in Herne Bay | Kent Live[/quote]

http://www.kentlive.news/images/loca...6079-large.jpg

I hope my regular readers are not getting bored. There is plenty more to come.
I am searching across the globe for any students who may have flown with our intrepid aviatrix during her New Zealand 'flying instructor' days.

The wiki page for Tracey Curtis Taylor is now being constantly edited to remove references in the media to newspaper coverage of her deception. Aviation History and HillyBilly Holiday are trying to remove the truth

Haraka 22nd Sep 2016 06:53


The wiki page for Tracey Curtis Taylor is now being constantly edited to remove references in the media to newspaper coverage of her deception. Aviation History and HillyBilly Holiday are trying to remove the truth
Fortunately clicking on to the "Talk" and "View History" tags on a Wiki page readily exposes these types of, often peurile, shenanigans behind what is in the "Article". These make very amusing (and revealing) reading on the site in question.

hillbillyholiday 22nd Sep 2016 13:19


Originally Posted by Jay Sata
The wiki page for Tracey Curtis Taylor is now being constantly edited to remove references in the media to newspaper coverage of her deception. Aviation History and HillyBilly Holiday are trying to remove the truth

Hi all, I am the wiki-editor "HillyBilly". Just here to clear up some confusion.

Firstly, I have absolutely no connection with TCT or her sponsors or anything like that.
The controversy section was removed because it was sourced to the Daily Mail and Express. Negative statements about living people relying solely on tabloid claims are not permitted for (what should be) obvious reasons. If you check my edit history, you'll see that much of my "work" on wiki involves pruning tabloid-related material.

One user from here has re-added the material several times in twenty-four hours, which, if reported, would normally see them blocked. I didn't report it because I don't play like that.

Believe me, I have no dog in this race; should a reliable source pick up this story, I would have no problem adding it to her biography. Cheers.

Wageslave 22nd Sep 2016 14:17

Another puzzle.
If she is so hopeless as a pilot that she needs an ATPL passenger doesn't it seem odd that her team would allow her to fly royalty on joy-rides, as the now much edited Wikipedia site states? Seems unwise to let a pilot you can't trust not to foul up take up people like that.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 22nd Sep 2016 14:21

Thank you for the information HillyBilly.
Intrigued as to what you would consider to be a reliable source.

Information from TCT camp is accepted but information from Daily Mail, Daily Express and others who were there at the time is censored out.

Seems rather odd if you ask me.

mikehallam 22nd Sep 2016 14:40

Reading this saga, as I have, an alternative more kindly scenario, which might go as follows:-

For World Wide publicity purposes it is decided by big business to do a sort of 'game show' film, mimicking a famous flight & with all the usual semi concealment of the supporting team's activities.

All they need now is someone as nominal 'pilot' for the central role; some flying capability might help, but more necessary overall they will need an excellent raconteur for all the post show follow ups.

Perhaps this thread's concentration on the main actor really misses the correct target, which is 'big business' intent on creating a tolerable facsimile of a historic flight which to some extent has back-fired on them. However their publicity machine is now protecting the promoters at the eventual expense of the character of a witless pawn.

mike hallam.

hillbillyholiday 22nd Sep 2016 15:05


Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY (Post 9516388)
Thank you for the information HillyBilly.
Intrigued as to what you would consider to be a reliable source.

Information from TCT camp is accepted but information from Daily Mail, Daily Express and others who were there at the time is censored out.

Seems rather odd if you ask me.

Reliable sources for the "controversy" in this case would be something like a statement from an official body, or a report by a dedicated piloting publication or reputable mainstream media outlet. Papers with a reputation for libel, inaccuracy, misrepresentation, hatchet-jobs, etc, are generally frowned upon, particularly so when it comes to biographies. And for a particularly contentious claim, ideally you'd want at least a couple of independent, unimpeachable sources.

I'm not sure what you mean by "information from TCT camp". I see references to reports by the BBC, Guardian, Independent, Pilot, and other reputable-ish-looking sources.
Were any of these to query TCT's claims, one would have a case for inclusion.

9 lives 22nd Sep 2016 15:33


Perhaps this thread's concentration on the main actor really misses the correct target
TCT is a fair target of this thread because she's supposed to be one of us - a pilot with honour. She has missed the mark badly. It would have been honourable, even after throwing out the word "solo" everywhere, to come clean and state what really happened, and who supported the venture how.

It's great for aviation to have antique aircraft safely flown on extra long distance adventure flights, it fuels interest in our industry - until the lies and misrepresentation become the point of the interest, rather than the honourable piloting.

It's probably too late now for TCT to save her pride by honouring up, but you never know... In the mean time, she has made herself a target by weasling about this with Wiki changes, and continued public presentations which are not entirely truthful.

pulse1 22nd Sep 2016 15:35

Mike, You have eloquently expressed the way my thoughts have been going in the last couple of weeks. In some ways TCT has become a victim, partly of her own narcissism.

PS. I am still looking for a chance to take up the invitation to visit your strip.

clareprop 22nd Sep 2016 16:03


Firstly, I have absolutely no connection with TCT or her sponsors or anything like that.
OK HBH, I'll take that at face value. Maybe you will take these:

1.Barry Tempest - ex Head of UK Aviation Civil Aviation Authority calls vote to rescind award due to deceit.

2.Using wayback.com, numerous statements from TCT on her webpage stating she is flying solo - now deleted but still visible on wayback.

3.

a report by a dedicated piloting publication
PILOT - A reputable industry/activity magazine runs an editorial on exactly what they think of TCT and her claims

They are not tabloid claims nor unproved.

When will they appear in the Wiki entry?

hillbillyholiday 22nd Sep 2016 16:48


Originally Posted by clareprop
1.Barry Tempest - ex Head of UK Aviation Civil Aviation Authority calls vote to rescind award due to deceit.

Perhaps it would be better to wait for the result of the vote, I'm guessing it would be widely reported should the award be rescinded.

2. TCT crashes aircraft into Robinson Helicopter on the ground. AAIB (Government organisation) holds her responsible. No mention on Wiki
It seems to be mentioned now (3:30pm). It's something of a judgment call. Some might consider it "undue".

3. Using wayback.com, numerous statements from TCT stating she is flying solo - now deleted on her webpage but still visible on wayback.
Not sure what one could do with this information, incorporating it into the article without secondary sources to back it up is considered "original research".

On reflection, I would question whether TCT deserves a wiki-bio at all. The claim to fame seems to rest primarily upon her receipt of a Bill Woodhams Trophy -- is this a particularly notable award? Do other recipients have articles?


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