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wiggy 16th Sep 2016 08:22


Moderators, please do NOT delete this thread ! It is highly amusing, and part of my morning ritual (much more interesting than the papers). There are bound to be more revelations to come.
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Surely someone sometime is going to challenge her at a public event
I wonder if her team ensure she only answers questions/gets involved in Q&As at closed and suitable events ( e.g. schools, universities) where her CV is unlikely to be publically challenged by those in the know. I'm sure her PR people realise she'd quite possibly be torn apart in any Q&A session involving genuine aviators.

Our management are keen on times on having inspirational speakers (e.g Buzz Aldrin) take the floor and answer questions in front of an audience of professional pilots ...perhaps I can get them to invite TCT to an expenses paid nice evening out....I suspect it's going to take something like that to move this story much beyond the realms of forums and back into the national press.

Stanwell 16th Sep 2016 08:54

Gents,
That comment from airpolice WAS tongue-in-cheek. :ok:

Great care has been taken by the TCT publicity machine to ensure that she isn't put in a position where
she might be faced with an uncomfortable question or two.

The whole thing is, and has been, very carefully stage-managed.
Her PR consultant/minder/taster, Tim Kelly, sees to that.


On the other hand, Boeing's PR hack is stupid enough to be still pumping out the "solo" claim - as recently as just a few weeks ago.
What planet are you living on, Molly?


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Mike Flynn 16th Sep 2016 10:06

I am not sure what she has done to qualify on this point.

The Master’s award recognises Tracey Curtis-Taylor’s work in raising awareness of science and technology in general
The above from the email to Daily Mail journalist Dave Jarvis.

Have I missed something?

What has she done to raise awareness of science and technology?

She sat in the back of the Stearman with airline pilot Ewald was up front. Boeing promoted the expedition to the worlds media as a solo flight.


Mr Gritsch admits he was in the forward cockpit for ‘the majority’ of the flights from Cape Town to Goodwood and Farnborough to Sydney. He said: ‘The situation was that it was not a solo flight.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4KPeRn5BZ
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
In Sydney he hid from the assembled media crew and Tracey made her flamboyant speach suggesting she had flown the entire trip alone.

In my book that is deception and certainly not 'honourable'.

Jonzarno 16th Sep 2016 10:12


The Master’s award recognises Tracey Curtis-Taylor’s work in raising awareness of science and technology in general
The above from the email to Daily Mail journalist Dave Jarvis.

Have I missed something?

What has she done with 'science and technology' ?
You obviously haven't been paying attention!........:cool:

It's for demonstrating the use of a GNS 430 and an iPad as "traditional navigation instruments" whilst being a solo occupant of the back cockpit of a twin crewed aircraft. Do try to keep up! :8

BTW: here's a preview of the award ceremony:


Crash one 16th Sep 2016 10:13

The Masters Medal should be awarded to TCTs PR team for their monumental achievement at screwing the public and every professional body involved including Royalty. And their continued damage limitation exercises.

Stanwell 16th Sep 2016 10:17

"What has she done to raise awareness of science and technology?"

It's interesting that you ask that, JS.
In an interview a while back (a link to which was posted on here), TCT publicly stated that she 'hated' technology.
I'm looking for it now - bear with me.

EDIT: I've been back a number of pages but don't seem to be able to put my finger on it right now.
I clearly recall TCT was talking with a female interviewer. Stay tuned.
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Mike Flynn 16th Sep 2016 15:54

In my opinion it is one thing to deceive flying organisations with false claims of solo flying.

However doing it at a service charity dinner is another. No doubt giving them all the false claims without mentioning Ewald Gritsch and his place onboard the Stearman.

I believe the military slang for such a person is a Walt. Abreviation of Walter Mitty.

https://s18.postimg.org/f12u6bprd/image.jpg

source https://www.rnrmc.org.uk/Event/china...ty-summer-ball

clunckdriver 16th Sep 2016 17:32

Well, on this side of the pond I doubt if she or the others involved in what is basically a "scam" would be wise to turn up at ANY gathering involving aviation, as for the organisations presenting any form of award to this group, I suggest you all stay away from any public appearance's, at this time of the year we have far too many ripe tomatoes to preserve!

Union Jack 16th Sep 2016 18:17

Let's hope that Jay Sata's near namesake at the China Fleet Club, JayneC, has her attention drawn to this thread before next Friday's summer ball - and that our Tracey turns up properly dressed for the occasion if she wears uniform since she still seems rather confused about what rank she holds in the RNR....:hmm:

Jack

Art E. Fischler-Reisen 16th Sep 2016 18:58

With regard to the letter at post #1353, TCT's address is entirely visible through the rather clumsy crossing out; I think that detail really should be treated as "staff in confidence" and certainly not displayed on any public forum.

Having said that, I'm certainly no supporter of TCT's deceitful tactics. Having written to the HCAP some time ago on this very subject I received what seems to be a very similar reply to that posted here and elsewhere. The intention is for the award to remain....

I very much resent the earlier claim that all HCAP members are sycophants. Many of us are just working pilots and have no great aspirations to be anything else. I was invited to become a member of GAPAN as it used to be called, because of my professional background. I agreed and have been a member for some years. I certainly didn't join for reasons of social climbing.

Whatever, I decided quite some time ago not to attend the HCAP Awards Banquet this year because TCT's presence would probably put me off my full enjoyment of the event, especially as the members pay for the guests and awards.

At previous awards ceremonies I felt very much honoured to be in the same room as the likes of Neil Armstrong and Winkle Brown. How this lady can be compared in any way is beyond my thinking.

I've been very seriously considering whether or not I will continue with my HCAP membership. As a mere member I can do no more else than voice my concern, which I have already done. :\

Mike Flynn 16th Sep 2016 19:08

Art,

The address was not meant to be visible but is actually the registered address of Birdinabiplane Ltd.
https://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/l...d-in-a-biplane

I have edited that letter substantially in my later posts as you will see.

From various discrete private pm's that I have received it appears you are far from being the only member of HCAP not happy with awarding the Masters Medal to TCT.

There appears to be a core of key members inside the organisation determined to make sure TCT gets her award come hell or high water.

When the facts emerged that she was not solo,HCAP moved from the original reasons for granting the MM ,to a newly drafted and completely different citation.

A key point is that the Master who awarded the medal has never played any part in the redrafting of the citation. It appears a small committee was formed to deal with this issue and defending the award.

Once again it is worth post this quote from Barry Tempest.

Your claimed exploits have put the cause of Women in Aviation back 40 years. If you accept the HCAP award in the autumn you should be ashamed.
In many respects ,if the award goes ahead ,it debases the honour bestowed on Tim Peake.

clareprop 16th Sep 2016 20:11


With regard to the letter at post #1353, TCT's address is entirely visible through the rather clumsy crossing out; I think that detail really should be treated as "staff in confidence" and certainly not displayed on any public forum
It's a business address therefore completely public so not necessary to cross out at all:

https://www.endole.co.uk/company/077...iplane-limited

Interesting link to Robert Marshal in there as well and according to this link:

http://companydb.uk/07763562-bird-in-a-biplane-limited

They both were registered at the same address for the company before it moved to London.

Mike Flynn 16th Sep 2016 20:30

Hence the link to Boeing Aircraft,one of TCT's main sponsors.

http://marshalladg.com/400-delivered-follow/

Marshall Aerospace and Defence Group delivers its 400th production auxiliary fuel tank for Boeing’s P-8 program and is to increase its production rate

Marshall Aerospace and Defence Group has delivered its 400th production auxiliary fuel tank in support of Boeing’s P-8 maritime patrol aircraft program, has confirmed orders for more tanks through to mid-2018 and is set to increase its production rate.

Since July 2012, every tank has been delivered on time, enabling Marshall to retain its GOLD rating for ‘delivery performance’ under the Boeing Enterprise Supplier Tool (BEST) rating system, which is reviewed on a 12-month cycle.

wiggy 16th Sep 2016 21:00


Originally Posted by Jay Sata (Post 9509877)
In my opinion it is one thing to deceive flying organisations with false claims of solo flying.

However doing it at a service charity dinner is another.

Agreed, and if I was a member or contributor to said charity I'd be asking if the guest speaker was being paid in any way out of the charity fund's for her appearance at the dinner.

suninmyeyes 16th Sep 2016 21:25

Well if there is a medal going begging I think this guy deserves it for achieving a solo flight around the world aged 18.


http://ukga.com/news/view?contentId=38815

9 lives 16th Sep 2016 21:52


I've been very seriously considering whether or not I will continue with my HCAP membership.
Though I have no affiliation with the HCAP, I very certainly ended my membership and support (more than just a member) of a Canadian national aviation organization, when their objectivity to their membership became obviously questionable.

Like the the "chain is only as strong as its weakest link" reality, an organization is only as strong as its weakest policy. Continuing to stand behind TCT, or shifting the theme of an award so as to be still able to present it, in the face of all of the information that she is undeserving of an award, is weak.

Stanwell 17th Sep 2016 03:42

Re the RN & RM Charity's Summer Ball...
The Princess Royal, Anne, is patron of that organisation.

That charity has now put her in a somewhat awkward position.
Therefore, it will be most interesting to see whether she turns up to "Applaud a Fraud".
I do, very sincerely, hope she can find some excuse...

Mike Flynn 17th Sep 2016 06:37

I am writing to the RN & RM charity today.

Given her deception, with both 'solo' expeditions,she is a Walt and self publicist who has nothing to offer such an honourable charity.

Their email address is [email protected]

Robert Robson is the chief executive.

If you feel strongly about her involvment then please send them an email.

I also feel she should be stripped of her rank,Honorary Lieutenant Commander in the Royal Naval Reserve.

Can I remind you all TCT is speaking in London on Sunday. Admission is free.


British aviator Tracey Curtis-Taylor will be speaking at the inaugural Beyond Travel Festival by Steppes Travel at The Royal Geographical Society, London, 17-18 September 2016. Her talk takes place in the Education Centre on Sunday 18 September at 4pm.
http://www.steppestravel.co.uk/about...tracey-curtis/

Tay Cough 17th Sep 2016 12:38


Originally Posted by wiggy (Post 9509491)
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I wonder if her team ensure she only answers questions/gets involved in Q&As at closed and suitable events ( e.g. schools, universities) where her CV is unlikely to be publically challenged by those in the know. I'm sure her PR people realise she'd quite possibly be torn apart in any Q&A session involving genuine aviators.

Our management are keen on times on having inspirational speakers (e.g Buzz Aldrin) take the floor and answer questions in front of an audience of professional pilots ...perhaps I can get them to invite TCT to an expenses paid nice evening out....I suspect it's going to take something like that to move this story much beyond the realms of forums and back into the national press.

I missed the Buzz Aldrin talk unfortunately. If TCT comes to the next one, it may be worth a giggle. Not sure she'd dare though. Too many of us in the know.

Mike Flynn 17th Sep 2016 15:34

Tracey Curtis Taylor and HCAP
 
With the LAA on their way to rescinding TCT's 'navigation award' at their AGM it appears all is not well at The HCAP HQ in London.

Opinion is split with a core of key players determined to give her a Masters Medal even if she is splashed over tabloids for the next month with allegations of having a bloke in her biplane while 'emulating' Lady Mary Heath and Amy Johnson.

Journalist Dave Jarvis,who exposed her flying shenanigans in the Daily Mail,is busy working on some more page leads which currently focus on her having the LAA award rescinded and that organisation extricating itself from TCT and her PR machine.

The LAA AGM will most probably see her stripped of the award four days before the Honourable Company of Air Pilots give her a Masters Medal alongside spaceman Tim Peake.

At the centre of all this is current Master Peter Benn who will have to give her the award, in front of a disapproving audience, having played no part in the circus.

The role of Master of HCAP is normally a ceremonial one similar to that of mayor.

This year has been unlucky for the incumbent.

His annus horribilis has been Curtis Taylor and her Masters Medal.

I hear HCAP Australia were berated for raising concerns over this award, in a most disparaging manner.

Not surprising when you consider they have an 18 year old Queensland youngster who recently became the youngest solo pilot to fly around the world overlooked by someone who lied to the press about solo flying from the UK to Sydney.

I hear the Master now sees it as a matter over which he would resign rather than face the fact that the HCAP court have, in more than one meeting, decided not to back down.

Despite all the publicity there is little chance of common sense raising its head in this.:ok:


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