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Genghis the Engineer 22nd Oct 2018 13:01

It was confusing enough when we used to have two Whirlybirds !

G

ShyTorque 22nd Oct 2018 14:58


Originally Posted by Genghis the Engineer (Post 10289385)
It was confusing enough when we used to have two Whirlybirds !

G

We didn't, we had Whirlybird and Whirlygig.

Both of them definitely female fliers and I don't think that either would claim to been victims of misogyny, either on this forum or face to face.
But then both are also modest and honest women and have shown themselves able to "walk the walk" as well as "talk the talk", rather than what has been demonstrated in this sad case.

aviator_38 23rd Oct 2018 02:46

Morning folks,

I have not followed the whole LAA proceedings, but was recently sent this audio link, which sort of put things from her point of view.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p06nkhpr


Cheers

27/09 23rd Oct 2018 06:05


Originally Posted by aviator_38 (Post 10289920)
Morning folks,

I have not followed the whole LAA proceedings, but was recently sent this audio link, which sort of put things from her point of view.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p06nkhpr


Cheers

Wouldn't it be nice to have the interviewer interview TC along side someone equally as eloquent as TC but with the other side of the story. Now THAT would be an interview worth listening to.

artschool 23rd Oct 2018 08:28


Originally Posted by aviator_38 (Post 10289920)
Morning folks,

I have not followed the whole LAA proceedings, but was recently sent this audio link, which sort of put things from her point of view.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p06nkhpr


Cheers

about 2 minutes in.
".......and you have always done it in this same Stearman, yes is that correct"
"yes, I had my Boeing Stearman restored in 2012."


I thought that Ewald Gritsch was the owner? am I mistaken?

27/09 23rd Oct 2018 10:54


Originally Posted by artschool (Post 10290047)
about 2 minutes in.
".......and you have always done it in this same Stearman, yes is that correct"
"yes, I had my Boeing Stearman restored in 2012."


I thought that Ewald Gritsch was the owner? am I mistaken?

Just a minor detail. Isn't it?

Checklist Charlie 23rd Oct 2018 11:01


Just a minor detail. Isn't it?
I do believe there is a rather lengthy history of these "minor details"

CC

Katamarino 23rd Oct 2018 11:32

Depends on where the ownership info is coming from.

An N-Reg can't be owned directly by a foreigner, and I believe the Stearman is N-reg. It's entirely possible that she owns it but it's registered through a company that offers registration services for foreigners (maybe Ewald's can, and that's where the "Ewald owns it" story is from).

If you look up my registration for example you don't find my name, you find "Southern Aircraft Consultancy Inc Trustee".

Ebbie 2003 23rd Oct 2018 12:52

Mine is registered with Southern Aircraft Consultancy - they are very good, make having N regards hassle free.

All of the speculation is only possible because of the failure to ventilate this properly - the audio interview is interesting but not searching, no a BBC Hard Talk interview by an interviewer who has been briefed by a good researcher, that would be worth listening to even if it is a bit too late.

This has all the characteristics of something that got just too far out of hand - if it is true, and I don't think anyone has denied it, that Sam Rutherford said "do what you're doing but, don't accept awards for it" then I think the outcome (so far) is equitable.

While we're on the subject of awards, can I have one on behalf of the world's hypertensive diabetic fat blokes for my first post-flight test solo New Jersey to Barbados in my 1976 PA28, VFR no GPS an ting;)

artschool 23rd Oct 2018 13:01


Originally Posted by artschool (Post 10290047)
about 2 minutes in.
".......and you have always done it in this same Stearman, yes is that correct"
"yes, I had my Boeing Stearman restored in 2012."


I thought that Ewald Gritsch was the owner? am I mistaken?

Biplane Expeditions

I am mistaken it does belong to Tracey.

runway30 23rd Oct 2018 15:50


Originally Posted by artschool (Post 10290261)
Biplane Expeditions

I am mistaken it does belong to Tracey.

It does make me wonder why such straight forward statements couldn’t have been issued before instead of the fog of contradictions and retractions. I can see one contradiction in Ewald’s statement but as he has been polite enough to provide his email, I’m not going to open a public discussion.

DownWest 23rd Oct 2018 18:45

Lot of fog about.
IIRR the Stearman is N reg and is owned by a Delaware corperation which has 3G as an owner. Is T-CT on that owners list?

Cazalet33 23rd Oct 2018 19:50

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d1d706fac3.jpg


That's odd:



https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....990b7b8f61.jpg

Jonzarno 23rd Oct 2018 20:36

What that entry doesn’t tell you is who owns 3G Classic Aircraft Inc.

As has been discussed here before, N reg aircraft have to be owned by a US entity and it is entirely feasible that Ms Curtis Taylor bought the company that used to own the aircraft and is thus the beneficial owner of that aircraft.

I stress: I don’t know either way.

Mike Flynn 23rd Oct 2018 20:37

Owner and operator are not the same.

However Bird in a Biplane is a UK limited company.

If the company folded the aircraft is not part of the assets.

This is quite normal in aircraft leasing which appears to be the case here.

The cost of leasing can also be offset against profits.



S205-18F 23rd Oct 2018 22:19

Her Gritch says she owns the Stearman but it would appear that 3G Classic Aviation Inc. owns it which is Her Gritchs company weird. Also did she collide with an R44 at Goodwood in August 2015? seems her accident record isnt a great one then.
John.

Katamarino 23rd Oct 2018 22:24

It's 100% possible for her to own it. I registered my old airplane in my mechanics name as he is American, I'm not, and I trust him. It was still mine.

Either way, even if Tracey didn't own it, who really cares? I spent 4 months flying round darkest Africa with a doctor providing medical training, and neither of us owned the airplane (it was leased). Didn't make any difference to what we did.

runway30 23rd Oct 2018 23:05

I don’t know who is correct but we have all seen an unequivocal statement from Ewald that TCT is the owner. If you are going to suggest otherwise I think you should write to Ewald and ask him if he wishes to clarify the contradiction.

HolyMoley 24th Oct 2018 07:45

I wish I could afford to buy a Stearman and have it restored.

Cazalet33 24th Oct 2018 09:02


Originally Posted by artschool (Post 10290261)

I am mistaken it does belong to Tracey.

The official documentation may suggest that you are not mistaken, Art.

Here's the official position of N-56200, as recorded by the FAA at the time of the Winslow crackup:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....adffeeb940.jpg



Here's the official position of BIAP, as recorded by Companies House:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3f7d038f5b.jpg

(-ve figures are bracketed; +ve figures are not)


The tangible asset valuation appears to be that of her unairworthy Ryan which she really does own.

Ewald's airworthy Stearman, which is in magnificent condition, would be worth a lot more than that.

Here's the latest FAA registry statement, as of midnight EDT yesterday, ie about five hours ago:
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....46c223dee9.jpg


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