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Above The Clouds 10th Dec 2016 19:34


Originally Posted by Above The Clouds (Post 9571401)

With all the fore roar regarding the wearing of RAF wings, has anyone for one moment actually considered they maybe only there for advertising along with the other sponsors badges on her grow bag.

http://static.english.pradesh18.com/...ntitled-13.jpg

She doesn't wear any wings when in the official uniform of the RNR.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...f9doHNgMFC1wyM

Equally comments in the media, changes to her wiki page are almost certainly being made by the PR team and not directly by TC-T herself, has anyone thought maybe she is not in control of the PR team as they are there to make money and TC-T could be a pawn in an otherwise money making machine hence no public comment from TC-T other than on a Facebook page and website that she probably doesn't edit or control.

Thought it might worth re-posting this as I don't believe there was ever a satisfactory conclusion, was she wearing the wings along with the other badges as part of the advertising campaign ?

Jonzarno 10th Dec 2016 19:49


was she wearing the wings along with the other badges as part of the advertising campaign ?
Well, it should be easy enough to get the RAF to confirm that they asked her to wear a set of pre-1953 wings as part of their sponsorship....... :hmm: :confused:

Mike Flynn 10th Dec 2016 19:56

I don't think Tracey knows what a hard days flying feels like.

More importantly I doubt she has ever felt the stress of owning an aircraft and coping alone and funding it when it all goes wrong.

Pretty much summed up by the magic quote to Sam Rutheford during the Africa trip...

"What could be more important than getting my luggage to the hotel".?

We have two interesting threads running on long distance flying.

If I had to pitch a tv reality documentary tomorrow it would be Two Pilots In an Aeroplane.

Kirk and TCT.:ok:

In answer to the post by Jonzaro


Well, it should be easy enough to get the RAF to confirm that they asked her to wear a set of pre-1953 wings as part of their sponsorship.......
A Freedom of Information request will get the reply.

I would suggest they confirm the era of the brevet.

Jonzarno 10th Dec 2016 20:03


Originally Posted by Jay Sata (Post 9605253)
In answer to the post by Jonzaro



A Freedom of Information request will get the reply.

I would suggest they confirm the era of the brevet.

I have to confess that I had not taken the original question entirely seriously, and my response was made with my tongue tucked firmly in my cheek...... :)

FlyingGoat 10th Dec 2016 20:09

I don't think Tracey knows what a hard days (sic) flying feels like.

Probably knows more than 99% of the contributors to this thread.

Is it frustrating that you've got nothing left to aim your spite at?

Jonzarno 10th Dec 2016 20:13


Originally Posted by FlyingGoat (Post 9605263)
I don't think Tracey knows what a hard days (sic) flying feels like.

Probably knows more than 99% of the contributors to this thread.

Is it frustrating that you've got nothing left to aim your spite at?

It's not a matter of spite. All she has to do is answer three simple questions. The fact that she chooses not to surely provides the most eloquent answer possible to your post.

Mike Flynn 10th Dec 2016 20:22

Jonzarno states it bluntly.

Three simple questions.

How hard are they to answer?


I still question her wiki page

Please don't have a go at Terry.

he certainly warrants a wiki article.

First Englishman to succeed in Flying Glider over the Andes to Argentina at 27,000ft and at -60 degrees Fahrenheit over Mount Aconcagua in 1996.
His love of all things aeronautical drove Terry Holloway to join the Royal Air Force as an Engineering Apprentice at RAF Halton in 1962.

He received his Commission four years later and served in a wide variety of Royal Air Force appointments in UK and abroad. Terry’s capabilities were recognised with the rank of Group Captain at the age of 42.

Utilising his engineering, logistics, processors and methodology skills he grasped the opportunity to transfer to the business environment after serving in RAF for 34 years, and joined the Marshall Group of Companies. The Group is the UK’s leading privately owned independent aerospace and automotive company and owners of Cambridge Airport.He is responsible for marketing, public relations, community activities and special projects across the diverse global group and has helped it to become the 1 billion turnover company that it is today.

A keen pilot who flew light aircraft and gliders throughout his career, he obtained his Private Pilot’s Licence in 1963 and is a life member of the Royal Air Force Gliding and Soaring Association. Among many other private interests and honorary positions, Terry is Vice Chairman of The Air League, and is a liveryman of the Guild of Air Pilots and Air Navigators.In addition to Leader of the Expedition in the month long, high risk glider flight over the Andes to Argentina, (scattered with many aircraft and pilots who had not succeeded), Terry further displayed his endurance capabilities and flying when he accomplished a solo light aircraft flight from Cambridge to Seattle in 2000, and a flight to the north of Norway in 2005.

He celebrated the 50th anniversary of his first solo flight on 21st March 2011.Recognised as an aviation expert and aviation historian, he regularly appears on TV and on radio to talk about topical aviation matters, and is frequently guest speaker on cruise ships talking about a wide range of aviation topics, including the Development of the Jet Engine, Unusual Flying Machines, the Genius of R J Mitchell and Flying Boats.

As a University Business Academic, Terry is invited to talk to a number of Cambridge University Departments, which has included the Judge Institute of Engineering, Lake Forest and Rutgers University in the USA and to some MBA courses.
Pretty hard to argue with that!

Which begs the question regarding her wiki entry which is fictional comparing the above.


As for me?
Just a boring old VFR pilot enjoying global flying.

Ask as many questions as you want.

Mike Flynn 11th Dec 2016 00:12

Terry has been brave to come here and discuss issues that are well beyond his remit.

A quick google will tell you what he has achieved.


Terry gained his Private Pilot’s Licence at the Luton Flying Club in 1963 having first achieved a “C” gliding certificate. He learned to fly on Austers soloing in 3 hrs 25 minutes and, subsequently purchased a share in a Tiger Moth. Since then, he has flown over 100 types of light aircraft and has been involved in glider towing, parachute dropping, air to air photography, air to ground photography as well as recreational and business flying. He has completed a number of long distance flights in light aircraft including to the North of Norway and the Mediterranean. In 2000, he flew a Piper Aztec from England to the United States down the East coast, across the mid West and up the West coast to Seattle. He has maintained a keen interest in vintage aircraft having flown and operated a de Havilland 87b Hornet Moth and Tiger Moths over a number of years.

He holds a Civil Aviation Authority Display Authorisation, is a highly accomplished formation pilot and has been a regular performer at flying displays throughout the UK. Terry flies on British and American pilots Licences with multi-engined and Instrument ratings, and regularly flies his Company’s PA27 Aztec, and a variety of light aircraft. He has amassed in excess of 5,500 hours in powered aircraft which brings his total flying experience to more than 8500 hours, in 193 different aircraft and glider types.
We may differ on opinions re TCT but I cannot question his experience.

Sadly he has no Wiki entry!

Pilot DAR 11th Dec 2016 00:43

Mr. Holloway is as welcomed a contributor as everyone else, and entitled to his opinion, as is everyone else. Let's not expect him to speak for Ms. Curtis Taylor.

Jonzarno 11th Dec 2016 08:17


Originally Posted by Pilot DAR (Post 9605430)
Mr. Holloway is as welcomed a contributor as everyone else, and entitled to his opinion, as is everyone else. Let's not expect him to speak for Ms. Curtis Taylor.

I certainly don't expect him to do speak for her. He agreed to ask her the three questions, confirmed that he has done so and that's it as far as I am concerned.

It would be great if Ms Curtis-Taylor could be persuaded to answer for herself. Sadly there seems to be little sign of that happening, which seems strange given her apparent willingness to reach out and address so many other audiences. :confused: :hmm:

Mike Flynn 11th Dec 2016 08:46

She avoided the British Women Pilots Association Christmas dinner although on the agenda to appear and talk.

terry holloway 11th Dec 2016 10:40


Originally Posted by Jay Sata (Post 9605273)
Jonzarno states it bluntly.

Three simple questions.

How hard are they to answer?


I still question her wiki page

Please don't have a go at Terry.

he certainly warrants a wiki article.


Pretty hard to argue with that!

Which begs the question regarding her wiki entry which is fictional comparing the above.


As for me?
Just a boring old VFR pilot enjoying global flying.

Ask as many questions as you want.

Jay, you are generous in your words, but Googled info is often inaccurate!
I have flown solo a lot and flown many long flights,but the Seattle flight in 2000 was in an Aztec sharing the flying with a friend.
I led the First RAF gliding expeditition to Chile in 1996 and the coldest it got - I think - was -40c! It was very cold! Other Englishman might have been there before us but the Chileans didn't know!
There would have been a big feature about us (5 RAF glider pilots - all non RAF professional aircrew, including two corporals!) in The Sunday Mail when we got back, but the IRA blew up the City of London and that stole the news!

mary meagher 11th Dec 2016 20:48

Terry Holloway, alas, the Sunday Mail feature all set to tell about you and your fellow RAF glider pilots who flew over those chilly Andean mountains back in 1996 suffered from the same fate as did the story about Harriet Quimby way back in 1912.

She flew SOLO in her Blierot monoplane across the channel from England to France in 59 minutes. Another news item took priority over her story....the Titanic sank the day before and grabbed all the headlines.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 12th Dec 2016 14:30

In a similar vein and an attempt to prevent the key questions getting lost in recent posts, here they are again.
Honest answers should have been easy to provide, which is why I firmly believe there has been, and continues to be, deliberate deception. The questions we want answering are not difficult questions.

Same with Portsmouth University and the FOI request, if it was clear-cut I would have expected a reply by now. The 22nd December they have been given is a deadline-date, not a target date.


1. What is the reconciliation between Ms Curtis-Taylor's well documented claim to have flown her african flight "solo" (Please see the video clip published earlier in this thread in which she personally makes that claim) and her subsequent public statement that the flight was not solo?

2. Given the above, what was she doing in the picture of her published earlier in this thread standing in front of a huge picture claiming she had been "Alone in an open cock-pit [sic] plane"?

3. By what authority, and with what qualification, does she wear RAF wings?
*******
In addition I would like answers to the following

- When exactly did the sponsorship requests begin?
- What did the investors THINK they were getting?
- When was it decided that these would not be a solo flights?
- Why was the solo aspect dropped?
- Were the sponsors informed of this material change?
- If so, when?
- Why was it felt necessary that the front seat would be occupied for the vast majority of the journey by Ewald?
- What steps did TCT take to correct the many SOLO headlines?
- Where is the evidence to show this even happened?
- Why, many months after the return to the UK, was TCT perpetuating the SOLO claim?

piperboy84 12th Dec 2016 15:12

I appreciate you trying keeping things on message SWB, but I think you're pissing into the wind as we all know the answers to those questions and the person you want a response from can't answer them accurately without showing that the whole thing was a fraud from the get go, which she isn't going to do. I think she will keep her head down till this whole thing blows over then look around to see what her marketability is on the after dinner speakers circuit. I doubt very much there will be any more "expeditions and outreach" as commercial sponsors aren't going to go near her, the Herne Bay vid and the "Alone" photo put paid to that.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 12th Dec 2016 15:28

I see the sentiment but we don't know the answers, we can only guess by her evasion what they will be. The pissing-into-the-wind metaphor works well, it does seem like we are on a futile task ...at the moment, but time will come when the wind direction changes.

It is a real shame that honest answers are not forthcoming because I see that as the only way she can regain any credibility, show she has integrity, and use her story-telling talents to good use. Ok, she messed up, rode the glory and got rumbled; admitting that then she would be free to move on and perhaps do some real "outreach". She may even be able to get corporate sponsorship if she is honest and open at the start as to her intentions.

TCT, there is still a dignified way out of this mess. Hiding won't work, this won't just blow over.

ShyTorque 12th Dec 2016 15:59

History won't be as kind as she might have once hoped.

Jonzarno 16th Dec 2016 19:53

Is there any news from the Portsmouth University F.O.I. request?

BEagle 16th Dec 2016 22:09

The latest edition of the Company's 'Grip and Grin' gazette Air Pilot includes a review of the Trophies and Awards Banquet.

Merely listed as 'unable to attend' was T Curtis-Taylor. There was no other report regarding her award...that was all.

Mike Flynn 16th Dec 2016 22:18

She failed to attend the BWPA (British Women Pilots Association) annual dinner as well.

However I have private gold plated info that Prince Michael has played no part in her so called Aviatrix story.

So I wish to withdraw any suggestion he played a part in promoting her Royal Navy status.

It is important that innocent parties are not drawn in to this debacle.


From gold plated other sources I can assure readers of this thread Boeing Aircraft Corporation were key players in assuring she got her awards from the Air League and the Honourable Company Of Air Pilots.

I understand some key players in those organisations
were not happy but Boeing got their way.


In May 2016, the Air League presented her with a framed address in recognition of her flight from Farnborough to Sydney.
A framed address is a minor recognition but here is the problem.

"Her flight from Farnborough to Sydney"

What exactly does that mean?


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