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Mike Flynn 29th Nov 2016 19:20

In answer to that Satco I can tell you I wasn't nominated for GA investigative journalism award. :ok:

Piperboy posted the link to https://www.superadrianme.com/travel/historic-1942-b/


She is exposed to the elements as she flies between 50 to 1,000 feet at 90mph and uses basic period flight instruments. Her next stop is at Palempang in Indonesia this Saturday followed by other cities in Indonesia and Australia before arriving at Sydney in Australia early next year.
Can some one explain to me why the crew of the Spirit of Artemis needed to fly so low?

Picture here with credit on the above site to Boeing.
https://s11.postimg.org/drexyz4rn/image.jpg

Tracey Curtis-Taylor in a classic 1942 Boeing Stearman ‘Spirit of Artemis’ flying through Asia (Boeing Photo)
I know from time spent in Myanamar the temple in the picture is one of many in Bagan.

Most countries will not sanction such a flight plan for VRF foreign pilots and that includes just about every one in S.E.Asia.

Sent from my period iPad writing instrument.

Cessnafly 29th Nov 2016 19:58

Can you believe the 50ft claim Jay? We also believed the 'solo' claim initially.
She's a Walt through and through.

EDIT The photograph that you have just added at low altitude is for a photo-shot.


Day 2 into a 3 day ban and Terry Holloway is still not getting it. :ugh:


Terry Holloway
12 hrs Freshwater
This is really for my aviation friends! Having spent a few hours reading through a number of PPrune forums I conclude that those individuals who inhabit the site mostly appear to be focussed on being negative! I wonder what my aviation friends think about the acceptability of the ongoing campaign on PPrune to discredit Tracey Tracey Curtis-Taylor. PPrune contributors also seem to have a real hate on The Honorable Company of Air Pilots and anyone who either drinks Gin and Tonic or wears a Bow Tie!

Right Hand Thread 29th Nov 2016 20:21


Can some one explain to me why the crew of the Spirit of Artemis needed to fly so low?

TCT claims to have overflown the Temple of Jerusalem at 200'.

Mike Flynn 29th Nov 2016 20:40

I would like to see a link to that!

B70 29th Nov 2016 22:01

"Day 2 into a 3 day ban and Terry Holloway is still not getting it. "

Sometimes, after the whistle has been blown, it can take a long while for everyone to realise the truth. Anyone remember Camila Batmanghelidjh? This review of BBC's 'expose' might evoke some comparisons.

BBC1's Kids Company 'expose' was nothing of the sort | Coffee House

Genghis the Engineer 29th Nov 2016 23:21


Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY (Post 9593229)
Last night was the RAeS Awards and Medals Ceremony.

Anyone in the know as to who got what and why?

Royal Aeronautical Society | Event | 2016 Honours, Medals, Awards & Prizes Ceremony


No 2016 awards brochure is up yet. Here's the 2015 awards...

http://www.aerosociety.com/Assets/Do...ochure_Web.pdf


I've had the privilege of being up there myself a few years ago. It is hellishly interesting seeing what all these people around you have done and achieved. A lot of very able people, with a great many years effort behind every one of them.

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Chris Scott 29th Nov 2016 23:33

SATCOs and Genghis,

As there was no list on the website, and unable to attend, I phoned the RAeS yesterday, quoting my membership credentials, to ask who would be the award recipients that evening. Someone gave me an e-mail address, to which I wrote immediately but have yet to get a reply. No doubt we'll hear in due course.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 30th Nov 2016 00:18

Thanks chaps. :ok:

What is strange is that there has been no trumpeting from the usual sources on the usual sites. Hopefully someone on here who was in attendance and can give an update...unless of course the RAeS have seen sense and given reward only to those who really do deserve recognition.

Genghis the Engineer 30th Nov 2016 08:59

To the best of my knowledge (and I've been an involved member for well over a quarter of a century) the RAeS has never been in the habit of giving awards to the undeserving.

People you've never heard of, certainly. But that just means that they were quietly getting on with what they were doing, and nothing else really mattered to them. You can clearly see that in common with the majority of people on the 2015 awards brochure.

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Gonzo 30th Nov 2016 11:28

@aerosociety was tweeting the award receipients on the evening, and I didn't see TCT's name.

I don't know if the list was exhaustive.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 30th Nov 2016 11:54

Thank you Gonzo. I think Genghis is totally correct; recipients have always been worthy winners.

I guess we will just have to wait for a definitive list.:ok:

aviator_38 30th Nov 2016 12:49

Ref #2935

see also #RAeSAwards,on Twitter


Cheers

Genghis the Engineer 30th Nov 2016 23:46

I was at the Society today and picked up a spare copy of the awards brochure.

Please don't shoot the messenger...


Women in aviation and aerospace specialist group award

Ms Tracey Curtis-Taylor
Director, Bird in a Biplane Ltd

Ms Curtis-Taylor is recognised for her contribution in aviation and the inspiration she provides to young people, and to young people in particular, to recognise and strive to reach their full potential and, where appropriate, to gain a greater understanding of our industry and to consider it as a possible career.

Raised in Canada, Travey developed a passion for flight and had her first flying lesson aged 16. She worked in London and South Africa before emigrating to New Zealand and began flying in earnest. She gained her private pilots licence, commercial licence and an instructor rating and, unusual for a woman, was trained by military pilots to fly WW2 aeroplanes with the New Zealand Warbird Association. In 2015/16 Tracey took on the challenge of taking her Boeing Stearman biplane, the Spirit of Artemis from the UK to Sydney, Australia, following the route of Amy Johnson, the first pioneering female pilot to complete the 13,000 mile route.
It is probably the most junior award going, and probably the text is factually correct, but it is undeniably an award. The committee who will have recommended it are here: https://www.aerosociety.com/get-invo...ation-network/



I'll mention two other GA people who also got awards, and perhaps earned them a little more.

(1) John Edgley, Silver Medal - for doing a whole bunch of stuff over about 40 years. (chairing the GA group for a decade, designing three aeroplanes, leading the achievement of the UK experimental conditions...)

(2) Miss Hania Mohiauddin, NE Rowe Certificate of Merit...


Miss Mohuiddin graduated with a BEng(Hons) in Aerospace Engineering from the University of Sheffield in 2013 and an MSc in Autonomous Vehicle Dynamics and Control from Cranfield University in 2016. Upon completion of her degree, she joined Martin-Baker as a Test Engineer conducting investigative trials of components from aircraft such as the F-18, F-35 and the A-1M. She is a STEM embassador. She participates in committees of various aerospace societies including the RAeS Manchester Branch. In addition she co-led a team to design and manufacture a Human Powered Aircraft for which she is the pilot. Her academic research included developing a Hybrid Electric Power Management System for UAVs, and Aircraft Electrical Braking Systems.
Well, one of the two impressed me as deserving the award she got. What on earth the Women in Aviation and Aerospace Committee of the RAeS were thinking, I cannot readily explain. The award panel for the NE Rowe certificate, I have no issues myself - and in fact have met the young lady and think she's quite an inspiring embassador for women, and young people, in aviation.

Tim Peake got an Honorary Fellowship, and the Geoffrey Pardoe Space Award. Four other honorary fellowships went to various captains of industry.

Three other women got awards, all arguably higher awards than TCTs - a Bronze Award went to a Jessica Jones from the University of Michigan - a PhD student for work on modelling highly flexwiblg aircraft, and another to an Irene Huertas at the European Space Agency for work on future space technologies. An honorary companionship went to Professor Elizabeth Hughes at Health Education England - formerly Lead Dean for Aviation and Space Medicine.

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SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 1st Dec 2016 00:56

Thanks Genghis.

:confused: I thought you said the RAeS has never been in the habit of giving awards to the undeserving. Yet another "first" for TCT ;)

The way I see this going is that she is going to rack up award after award. People with influence will convince her that she is a far better pilot and aviation ambassador than she really is - not that it will take much; once that happens then the risk of another accident will sky-rocket.
It is important to know your limits and she is effectively being told she has none and can do no wrong.

I do hope for her sake that I am wrong.

It reminds me of the pushy-parent syndrome often seen on TV talent shows; parents, teachers, and friends convince some kid they can sing, they get to audition and sound like a boiling cat, however they remain firm believers in their own talent. When the judges tell the truth, it is they who are castigated.

9 lives 1st Dec 2016 01:54


When the judges tell the truth, it is they who are castigated
Hmm, a number of posters on this thread were recently castigated....


Women in aviation and aerospace specialist group award
The Royal Aeronautical Society has shown us their perspective on choosing celebrity aviators. From Canada it certainly looks as though these prestigious British aviation groups are pretty gullible!

coldair 1st Dec 2016 04:21

I can only hope that She does not receive an OBE in the New Years Honors.

Sadly, my hopes are not always fulfilled.


coldair

Jonzarno 1st Dec 2016 08:00

Three Questions. Again.
 
Meanwhile in other news: Terry Holloway should now be back from Purdah and I'd be interested to hear if he has had any success in getting Ms Curtis-Taylor to answer the three questions he promised to ask her on our behalf.

In case they have dropped from view over the last several pages, and at the risk of incurring the Wrath of the Mods by repeating them again for the nth time, they are:

1. What is the reconciliation between Ms Curtis-Taylor's well documented claim to have flown her african flight "solo". Please see the video clip published earlier in this thread in which she personally makes that claim, and her subsequent public statement that the flight was not solo?

2. Given the above, what was she doing in the picture of her, published several times earlier in this thread, standing in front of a huge picture depicting the route and claiming she had been "Alone in an open cock-pit [sic] plane"?

3. By what authority, and with what qualification, does she wear RAF wings?

As I said in another earlier post: a failure to provide straight answers to these simple and direct questions, which I am sure she has seen and which Terry also promised to ask her, provides as eloquent a testimony as if she does answer.

Whirlybird 1st Dec 2016 08:30

You know what I find really sad about all this? Amanda Harrison, Tiger Moth instructor and by all accounts an excellent pilot, has wanted to repeat Amy Johnson's flight since before she even had a licence. It's been pretty much a lifetime ambition. But Amanda has no money and was going to rely on sponsorship. Now she can't get any. Everyone thinks Tracy went first, and isn't interested. "inspiration she provides to young people"? More like helping to destroy their dreams. Nice work Tracy, I hope you're proud of yourself. :-(

Littlest Hobo 1st Dec 2016 09:30


Ms Curtis-Taylor is recognised for her contribution in aviation and the inspiration she provides to young people, and to young people in particular, to recognise and strive to reach their full potential and, where appropriate, to gain a greater understanding of our industry and to consider it as a possible career.
I guess in that case there must be evidence available to demonstrate why Tracey is an inspiration to young people in particular?

The only examples I've seen are of Tracey delivering a message of "Lady Heath, Amy Johnson and I broke the mould in a man's world and you can too". I don't consider that to be providing a greater understanding of our industry, or an encouragement to consider aviation as a possible career.

Chris Scott 1st Dec 2016 10:06

Quote from Whirlybird:
"Amanda has no money and was going to rely on sponsorship. Now she can't get any. Everyone thinks Tracy went first, and isn't interested. "

That, and the cynical suspension of truth, are indeed the saddest aspects of this affair. A wealthy, air-minded, would-be benefactor inclined to support any genuine solo attempt to repeat the two epic flights faces the problem that the world's media have informed everyone - including youngsters looking for inspiration to become involved in aerospace - that it's already done and dusted.

Would any potential sponsor be prepared first to direct limited resources trying vainly to disabuse a jaded world audience of the authenticity of Ms Curtis-Taylor's beautifully-promoted journey, and then reawaken the interest and imagination of young people across the globe in the real deal? Fat chance...

Better, perhaps, silently to endorse the lie?


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