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DTVA - "Airport launches new drive to attract General Aviation business"
Anything up here in the North to be encouraged!
Airport launches new drive to attract General Aviation business |
So £15 to land a PA-28 at 1100kg plus £7.50 parking and a mandatory handling fee.
Avoid......... |
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Mandatory handling? :* Not for me thanks!
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The Great Bliar opened it:ugh:
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Are these airport managers really that stupid that they think its a good deal?
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If they took out mandatory handling and allowed a period of free parking we'd be queueing up to give them money, what is it with these people? Have their accountants never heard of marginal costing and revenue? :ugh:
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B4 the cow droppings are thrown - does anybody have a real world figure for the handling cost of a typical C172/PA24? If it is a pound, so what, if it is a fortune, get the cowpat.
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Other Charges - Galway Airport
50 Euro for toilet service ? They better be throwing in a complimentary arse wiping service for that kind of money ! |
DTVA supposedly has some of the cheapest fuel in the country.
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Maybe they are worried at losing what little GA stuff they currently have. It might migrate to Church Fenton.
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50 Euro for toilet service ? They better be throwing in a complimentary arse wiping service for that kind of money ! |
its been a few years ago now but getting through security there was pretty horrible.
Not quite in the same league as Norwich or Blackpool. But bad enough. |
airpolice, take a look at a map and see where DTVA is compared to Church Fenton. Church Fenton is fine for York and Leeds, its a no brainier driving between the two.
Church Fenton has gone quiet since the mad fly-in. |
And not having to go near dropping the bog on an aircraft its worth every penny. In fact I would happily pay double not to have to deal with ours.
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Whats the big deal, sounds reasonable to me, why should we not pay something towards the genuine costs ?
ILS, Hard Runway, Pick you up from the aircraft, let you use the meeting area and provide free refreshments, works for me. |
why should we not pay something towards the genuine costs |
that's fine that's you getting something for you handling fee.
Rocking up and self parking, sticking your own chocks in, walking to the gate to escape. Then reverse to get the plane back. That is if you even get out at all, some just land and pick up fuel and go again. most mandatory handling is a rip off and the excuse the facilitys are there if you want them but it your choice if you don't want to use them doesn't wash. |
Reminds me of the time I pitched up at Edinburgh in the Chipmunk. Follow me van turns out, parked at Signature, van turns up to take me the ten yards to the "office", me in my Nomex and gloves, and £168.00, mandatory handling later, I taxied past Fred the Shreds executive fleet:*
I felt a bit rubbered:mad: |
We are Peel airports, we know little about running airports, but we can realise property values - because we are a property development company.
We have launched "drive" to develop the airport. It failed and so we are applying for planning permission to develop the airport as a combined residential and light industrial estate. I am cynical by nature, but - compulsory handling at an airport where there are virtually no scheduled services and officious security???? Well it is obviously going to save the airport - isn't it? |
gasax, you will be happy to know you only have to go through the full security if you are entering the restricted zone, the GA parking is separate and in most cases you can go through the handling agent Weston's own gate.
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The last time I was there it was a route march to the terminal from the allocated parking and getting back to it via the terminal near impossible - largely because the 'security' said it could not be done....!
Have you tried this as a visitor without local knowledge? |
No sorry, only gone through security to go to the hangars. Quite sure you would be fine if you parked on the GA, someone on here must have flown in recently. There was at time when you weren't allowed to take more than the 100ml of fluids through or any sharp objects but that was before they moved the restricted zone which is just the main apron. Give Weston a phone they will answer all of your questions.
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The last time I was there it was a route march to the terminal from the allocated parking and getting back to it via the terminal near impossible - largely because the 'security' said it could not be done....! Likewise took us back when ready and paid up. Same at Newcastle. Blackpool and Southend I recall full Xray type baggage scan Exeter use to do this but no scan the last few times. |
Some of the criticism on here seems harsh to say the least, DTVA is now one of the most attractive airports for GA of its size and facilities.
They deserve credit for holding their hands up, acknowledging their previous faults and trying to do something about it. My understanding is that the hated mandatory handling rule is on borrowed time. The scheme is clearly working, they've had at least six new resident aircraft move in since November, prior to that they'd be lucky if they had that many in the last five years! Furthermore, they've had three new GA air operators move in in just over a year and I believe they are in talks with at least a further two. Things are definitely improving. |
They deserve credit for holding their hands up, acknowledging their previous faults and trying to do something about it. My understanding is that the hated mandatory handling rule is on borrowed time. AND make the prices in line with others like Gloucester etc...discounts for fuel uplifts......etc As for "Handling" is on "borrowed time" while it is still on loan, then they can shove it where the sun don't shine. It's not an "attractive" destination for me. |
Gloucester has inspired this, the airport execs went down there and got a tour of the place.
And here is your clear unambiguous info regarding the total cost of landing/parking a spamcan: http://durhamteesvalleyairport.com/u..._-_FY15-16.pdf |
If handling is a tenner that would be pretty reasonable I think. Still quite a big more expensive than Gloucester but not outrageous.
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Last I heard it was an extortionate £25 but that may have changed. All that gets you is a minibus ride from aircraft to gate which is easily within walking distance :mad:
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I can picture that list of charges being read out in a Monty Python skit, particularly the fees for passes....
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Well I am glad someone came on and said. Guess what, they are running a business, and with that comes attempting to make it profitable:*
The issue is, the UK GA scene, generalisation, has always run on a shoestring. Be it maintenance, flying club fees, landing fees. Pilots have always mumbled, about the 100 quid hamburger. The irony is, that we will fly 100/200 miles, at 8gallons an hour, and then complain that the landing fee has increased from 10 quid, to 12.50......... I feel everyone misses the point. Cheap fuel, lends itself to more flying. More flying allows FBO to be more competitive. More competition, with increased utility, tends to make everyone happy and smile a bit more. Issue is you are not going to see that anytime soon. So, full transparency of exactly what you will get, exactly how much you will pay, and be sure that after a two hour flight for a cuppa, the cafe is not shut. Yes, it did happen to me...... |
At least they deserve credit for having a go, although it does seem an odd time to issue the press notice if the removal of mandatory handling is under consideration - that would have been a useful hook for launching the new approach.
Given the decline in airline traffic, a Gloucester/Kemble of the North might be a useful model, although is there the local demand? |
Looking fora job. The excellent team at Gloucester know all about that but they also understand that they need a blend of business to make it work. CAS, training, engineering and GA are all busy and all encouraged by competitive pricing and the lightest touch practicable of bureaucracy and security. They also have NDB, ILS GNSS approaches and three paved and one grass runway as well as fire cover snow clearing etc.
It's because Gloucester have shown that it can be done that people get so frustrated about places who don't get it so well. I'm pleased to hear that Durham have been to see Glos. Their environment may be more limited and therefore prices a bit higher, but handling can be fixed I'm sure, on the "some revenue is better than no revenue" basis. |
I visit DTV half a dozen times a year for work and another half dozen for pleasure. One of my favourite airports, security used to be a nightmare, but that is nicely sorted. You used to be able to pay landing fees in the main terminal, but now I always go to the handlers who sort taxis, fees, met brief and flight planning in a comfy office with great coffee and really nice friendly ladies.
If you are staying in the area get them to book hotels for you, they get great discounts and always find really good places to stay. Frankly I can't remember what I pay for handling in my own aeroplane (it certainly isn't much), but the corporate machine I fly costs around £ 200 inc landing fees, and the handling for required for that machine is pretty substantial, and I'm more used to seeing £ 500-£ 1500 disappearing for mandatory handling for that one. Fishburn is great, but DTV provides a good service and facilities, and when I got caught out in my PA22 in unforecast thunderstorms they gave me a radar service to finals, the bowser driver helped with covers and tie downs and the airport treated me as an emergency weather diversion and waived the landing fees. Nice place, nice people SND |
I can picture that list of charges being read out in a Monty Python skit, particularly the fees for passes.... |
DTVA do seem to be giving GA a go - latest announcement is a microlight school
Microlight flying school opens at Durham Tees Valley |
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