CAP 413 Radiotelephony Supplement 3
 

CAP 413 Radiotelephony Supplement 3 was withdrawn 14 january 2014.

Im trying to find the phraseology for asking for a SRA. in my notes i can't decided if its "request SRA for active" or "request radar vectors for active" did it two years ago and never done since, revalidating next week and made the mistake of not noting down the simple stuff, because its easy to remember :rolleyes:

Did my renewal last week, ILS not SRA but I imagine the phraseology is identical. On hand over from Donny to my home base I just called 'G-**** on handover from Doncaster request vectors for ILS.' Must have been right as the examineering person never said anything at the debrief.

Stroller

Just say what you require without any hangups! "Request..."

But where do you get "...for active" from? What is an active?;)

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I have always said "request radar vectors for a ______"

I think this is entirely iaw CAP 413 even though not explicitly written out.

However, if you were on handover, surely they had already asked for you? :)

I agree entirely.:)

Instead of '..active..' just say the runway you want.


MJ:ok:

It just reminds the man or lady sipping coffee in their comfy chair who you are...:).

2 Sheds, active might be a miltary term. I use it, 'Request taxi to active via xyz' etc. Dunno, don't civvy folk use it as well? It's quicker than saying 'Taxi to Runway 30' or whatever.

Not military as far as I'm aware. Just makes you sound like you cant remember which runway you are using.;)


MJ:ok:

I have been that man...:O

Yep. Which means ATC are going to tell you, which means you're going to have to read it back, so it doesn't exactly save air time!

Standard taxi call at my place is 'G**** request taxi to active with (insert latest ATIS code) and QFE blah.' Reply would be 'G**** taxi Foxtrot hold'. No mention of runways. But then if I give the latest ATIS code I have the latest runway, yes?

Thank you for the feedback, moral of the story take better notes.

for those that have got carried away with the 'active' comment. I was repeating what was on the bottom of my page of notes. I think at the time of writing that it was but forward as a unplanned division (weather) into an unknown airfield/airport IE no plate information to hand etc. type request. As i said poor notes meaning I was confused by the phraseology and was failing to find confirmation of the answer in the usual places

Some airfields have two active runways.

We often do.

The thread participants can often benefit from the drift as much as the original poster gained from the question. ;)


Why not just say 'Request taxy'


MJ:ok:

Cos that's not the way I was taught to do it. I would just 'request taxi' at a civvy field however. I just do what I'm told, good boy you see :-)

Here too!

D.O.

I'd just say "G-ABCD with information alpha QNH 1013 request taxi for departure."

Information Alpha told me which the "active" is.

Tower will then tell me I'm cleared to alpha 2 for 26 R.

etc.

This is what I love about Pprune. Only here could you have a thread where one word either added to or left out of a transmission can cause so much debate...:).

Now, when you're climbing aboard a Cessna, do you put your left foot on the step first or the right?

I thought "Vectors for the ILS" is different from an SRA? Certainly I'd use a different approach chart anyway. The one at Prestwick has a separate SRA approach chart which includes instructions if you lose radio contact.

That is quite different from "Vectors to the ILS".

Really, an SRA is what happens after you get vectors to the top of the glide slope. I suspect it also requires ATC to have different qualifications. There is also a no-compass / no gyro version, in which they tell you for how long to turn left / right, assuming rate 1 turns.

To answer the original question, I'd keep it simple and say:
G-ABCD, Request SRA
or if feeling extravagant:
G-ABCD, Request surveillance radar approach runway 06


If I wanted a different runway to that on the ATIS, I'd add the runway designator.

BTW - CAP413 is still there - it is just the supplements that have been removed. See page 149 of the pdf in the actual CAP413 (designated Chapter 6 Page 21 if looking in the index).

And should say - vectoring for the ILS is on p137, although it isn't explicit on how the aircraft should request this.

But it does matter if it's a Super Cub you're getting into that you've just shoved off from the dock - get it wrong and you could waste sufficient seconds sorting yourself out that you risk hitting something.

The beginning of my first lesson consisted of getting into and out of the aircraft in a hurry until it was automatic which foot went first and where.

its gone from asking for an SRA to ripping holes in your floats in the space of one page :)