In the teeth of determined opposition (of which all has been thoroughly ignored), TAG Farnborough continues to press for it's own monumental air grab. (Just google it.)

Russian oligarchs do not like to be kept waiting.

Yep, exactly what happened, several times. All responses thoroughly ignored, several times.

120 movements on a weekday (Monday to Friday)? I don't think so. I have worked on the airfield perimeter for the last 3 years. Maybe 3 take-offs per hour, so cannot be many more landings due to parking limitations. Maybe these movements are outside normal working hours!

Depends what times you are at work. Busiest periods when I worked in ATC there were 7 am - 8.30 am and 5 pm - 8pm with constant 'steady' traffic in between.
In the 'in between' period I often sit in the tower at Fairoaks nowadays watching a continuous stream of Fanborough arrivals; Farnborough inform us of all inbound traffic on runway 24 and we limit the altitude of our departures to avoid conflicting with the Farnborough traffic.
I would often arrive at Farnborough at 6.45 am and aircraft would be sitting there with APUs running ready to get away asap after we opened and there would be inbounds holding close by when the radar came on line.

Thanks for the info.


If TAG were to be taxed for all of the airspace they want to grab, solely for their customers convenience, would they change their plans?

If someone brings in taxation for controlled airspace it would have to be for all not just odd bits. Would Heathrow be taxed? Would Biggin? or Exeter?

Or those blighted aerial deserts, Robin Hood and Norwich...

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In 1981/2, the CAA and NATS (not Farnborough) wanted to put controlled airspace over Lasham with a base of 3,500ft.
Lasham objected and so for years, Southampton arrivals were forced to fly through small portions of what we now call Class G airspace until the Southampton CTAs could be re-designed.
Lasham and the BGA have always moaned and bitched about controlled airspace around them and any compromise suggested has been met with replies like 'well can we have (this bit) as well' or 'couldn't you move that boundary back by a couple of miles as it prevents us from tracking direct to various competition turning points'.
Whatever you do, whatever concessions you make, Lasham will always want more.

Recently, I was a bit bored and I opened up Planefinder to see what was about my area (Basingstoke). There had been a break in the weather and on that day it was basically sunny with broken cloud.
I was amazed to see approximately 40 gliders, plus a couple of tugs, in the air both to the north and south of where I live, approx 5 miles north of Lasham. My first thought was "how will Flybe cope with that?" on their flights into Southampton as many of their arrivals pass my house between Basingstoke and Lasham. It also occurred to me that not only would this be "awkward" for Flybe, the RAF fly helicopters more or less along the line of the M3 motorway to and from Odiham, probably at around 1,000 ft and of course there is also Popham in the vicinity.

Lets get some actual facts into this debate instead of misinformation.
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Flybe/Southampton Traffic? They're in controlled airspace from the TMA to the Solent CTA/CTR so they are irrelevant to this discussion as Gliders at Lasham do not fly in controlled airspace.

Odiham have comprehensive LOAs with Lasham and the working relationship is very good, Odiham use Online Glider Network for situational awareness and very rarely are Chinooks in similar areas to Gliders, their standard operating height in the Lasham area is 500-1000ft, well clear of any gliders unless the Chinooks are in the Lasham Circuit

Popham traffic has just as much right to be there as Lasham traffic, on fly in days the whole local area can be full of microlights, the opposite is true with Gliding Competitions.
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Those are the facts, not that this has much relevance as the issue here is Farnborough not Lasham's relationships with other airfields (which by the way are generally in support of Lasham's cause)

Above all, you should never be suprised with the density of traffic from Lasham, I hear their figures are well in excess of 50,000 movements a year putting them in the top 20 of all airfields in the UK, unsuprisingly therefore they are very much a big player in the south's airspace infrastructure and won't go down quietly.

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planesandthings: Get off your high horse. Just for a minute.
I was merely relating what I have seen frequently. This particular day saw an unusually high number of gliders. The area in which they were flying included the same patch of earth that the occasional Flybe aircraft fly through on their way to Southampton. I know this to be true as I often see them between my house and Lasham. Similarly, the corridor along which helicopters move to and from Odiham are between my house and Lasham. Again, I know this as I frequently see them (except for the odd occasion when they come over my house!)
My post was merely an observation, prompted by earlier posts and was in no way aiming to have a dig at Lasham gliding.

​​​​​And as a local resident to Lasham too for over 20 years and someone who flies in this airspace very frequently for a living I am simply pointing out to you the score with the working relationships I've had with the stakeholders you brought up. Your wording was not clear and implied that Flybe would have to consider Lasham's activities which to the untrained eye is plausible but in reality with the complexities of the airspace structure of the UK is perfectly normal as above 5500ft at Basingstoke is controlled by Swanwick for London/Solent outbounds and inbounds, an area totally off limits to the majority of light aircraft and all gliders. Hopefully that clears what you have been observing up :-)
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Flybe aircraft into Southampton are at about 10-12000' as they pass Lasham. There appeared to be a competition at Lasham on Saturday with a task involving turns at Lyneham and the Yeovil area. Looking at the gaggle, most were leaving Lasham somewhere between 3-4000'.