Logging Hours
 

A friend is taking me up next week . Can I log the hours as P2?

ROFL......:=

Not unless it's an aircraft requiring 2 crew.

No, but you can log the hours as ME2.

Looking at your past posts, you have a PPL, so should seriously know this stuff! Absolutely unbelievable that you actually have to ask!

If it's purely a friend that is taking you up as a passenger, there is nothing you can log. Some people like to put these flights in their logbook just so they have something to look back on, but it has no purpose for granting or renewing any licence or rating.

If he were an instructor and it was all through a school, perhaps you could log P/UT, if it were a lesson, but then what on earth would he be teaching you?

A single crew aircraft has P1, and that's it. Save the rest until you reach actual multi crew.

Just reminds me of a Youth Hostel Tandem trip we did around North Wales, when I was in my teens.


I had to re-do the brakes before the trip and could not get a long enough brake cable to reach from the front to the back wheel. So I used an ordinary cycle cable and put the rear brake lever on the rear handlebars... It all worked Ok as long as P1 instructed P2 when to apply the rear brake.


However we got to a long steep mountain pass, and the speed steadily increased... We zoomed past several motorists, then saw a sign saying 'Beware Steep Hill 1:6 ahead'. I said 'Pip, put on the rear brake'.. he said it had been on all the way... OOOH... So, as we had lost the front mudguard previously, I applied my foot to the front tyre and we came to a smokey halt just before the very steep bit., and the two cars overtook us once more.


Perhaps if you were to control the Right Rudder whilst your mate had the Left one, then that would count... but maybe not.

Give the guy a break, I'd rather he asked and found out than didn't, logged it and got a slapped wrist from the Caa or an examiner.

In short no you cant, single Pilot Aircraft your friend is the Captain and you are just watching :)

Usual patronising prune response from some above.
Ask a civil question, receive a mocking answer.

One of the responsibilities you have for the privilege of holding a licence to fly is to understand the very regulation that governs is it. The question asked was one of the most fundamental questions that every pilot should know and is asked with despondent frequency.

The use of the search engine would have prevented mocking, therefore it would not be unreasonable for many of us to treat the question as a troll from someone looking to have a bit of mischief.......

Throw him a bone, guys!

Yes, he should have known - but if this is the first time the situation has ever occurred for him or her, perhaps they just forgot or maybe never read that bit.

Very few people of my acquaintance have ever been killed as a result of logging P2 time for an SEP.

There will be no slap on the wrist, you can write what you want in the logbook, it's only when he tried to use a bunch of P2 hours for revalidating his SEP, or as hours towards his CPL that he will find his application is rejected, and it will cost him more money to sort it out.

Rather the darwin principle of Aviation Law, it's all written down, and if you can't read it and understand it, then it costs you money in the long run.

Just like the numerous times I've been at the CAA head office waiting at the public counter desk hearing applications being rejected as they waited too long since passing the test to submit the paperwork, and the pass has now expired.

This is all pretty basic stuff, it's beyond me how people can't grasp it :ugh:

Personally I write such flights in my logbook, nothing in the totals, then in the comments column "passenger" or "passenger handling controls" if I got to fly a bit.

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This subject comes up regularly. Almost seems like someone like GE ought to do a sticky with all the relevant points on logging time and the definition and differences of PIC, a PUT, and PICUS

Slasher would have considered "logging time" as the amount of time he spent squatting in the Dunny. :E

A sticky with all the relevant points on logging time
 

Agree with BPF, such a sticky will help pilots and will spare time discussing the same questions to death.

Hope GE will also make one on professional pilot training forum.

A bit easy, isn't it? Who keeps you from doing it yourself? Good old GtE manages his own resources, to very good effect IMHO.

Jesus Christ.... Why are you relying on another pilot to do the work for you? You're required to know the rules that you fly under. Go look it up yourselves......

Its a discussion forum, people discuss things.

I agree he should knoe but why witch hunt over a daft Q.

Presumably somebody like GtE, except that that person is still a moderator, so can make stickies.

Although to be fair, it could be anybody who has actually read the PPL air law book, their country's air navigation order or equivalent, the instructions in the front of their logbook....

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While logging P2 in a Cessna, can I be paid for flying the plane? Only I've got this really clever contorted scheme that I'm sure allows a PPL to be paid for flying...