Licence - Carry or Not?
 

The UK ANO says that one is not required to carry your flight crew licence when on a private flight so long as you are not on a flight which is international air navigation. (Schedule 9)

However "FCL.045 Obligation to carry and present documents" in EC 1178 states inter alia "(a) A valid licence and a valid medical certificate shall always be carried by the pilot when exercising the privileges of the licence."

So is one legally obliged to carry the licence or not?

Yes. EASA regulation.

Completely bonkers. Rules like this are written to ensure that if you crash and burn all the paperwork goes up in smoke as well, thus complicating the lives of the investigators.

All of the paperwork you are required to carry is now available on computer records so no issue if it goes up in smoke.

Personally I never carry my logbook but all my other documents are available form the CAA.

It's so all the documents are available if you are ramp checked.... Better have them with you if you go to Le Mans or the Isle or Man TT those are favourite events for the trappers to attend.

Of course A & C and that would be an "international flight"? (Not sure whether IOM would be! LOL)

We'll be needing passports for going through UK domestic airports next… :rolleyes:

Documents
 

I carry my license, medical and aircraft documents at all times so i'm good for a ramp check and legal of course.

and, I hope, photographic ID as required by the Euroland people.

My specific query was on a private flight as the current UK ANO and the EU (EASA) stuff says different.

I carry my licence at all times - I agree it's really no big deal but if EASA are saying this always applies on private flights which are not international then I think many out there will not be aware.

Isnt there somthing on the licence that says you need a photographic form of id anyway? I keep license and passport in the arm pocket of my jacket for all flights. Which is fine untill I loose it/leave it or wash it.

Oh, well, i additionally carry my wallet with my AOPA card and my provisional driving license so i believe thats OK.

I always carry mine, but having held a professional licence for well over twenty years I've never been asked to produce it.

(but probably will be tomorrow... :O ).

Which is why the CAA require certified copies of existing licences, medicals, rating details etc before they will issue new EASA licences.
Go figure.

Shy in the fixed wing pro world we have a thing called SAFA checks so it comes out occasionally.

Internally in the UK in GA I agree nobody has asked to see mine apart from one PPL police at an airfield who got told to poke off much to the amusement of the people ear wagging in.

I get ramp checked all the time out work. It's usually the French or Spanish doing the checks. Biarritz I gave been checked 4 times thus year alone. Santander twice.

Agree, numerous ramp checks in France, why not carry it!

Sounds like the various nutcases who are affronted by the fact that cannot cut up their licence. Who cares, just pop it in a pocket in your flight bag and forget about it until someone asks for it. :ok:

The only place I've ever been ramp checked was in Nigeria. The aircraft was F-Reg, but my JAA licence was in a bag in the back. They were perfectly happy with my FAA licence, and couldn't read the French on any of the aircraft documents :}

Where there is contradiction between the ANO (or any other UK law) and EASA regulations, the EASA regs override UK law.

Are you saying that a UK official would ignore the ANO and apply EU law in the UK? What is the point Schedule 9 then?

Part FCL is European law and overrides the ANO. I am pretty sure that the ANO now excludes EASA licences.