Eyewitness reports are an attempted turn back, stall and spin.

This is what I'm hearing from many different sources. Might be interesting to read the report as to why the engine failed/rough run............

Yes, will read that with interest.

Their last rate on those tomahawks was £75 per hr wet.. Not much profit it that...

Edit: on good authority, not Hinton mogas

They use Mogas or UL91?

rumour is all ac grounded as of yesterday ( sun)

fact
no phones were being answered

[QUOTE][Mind you, they never uplift at CFD and make you land at Hinton for mogas /QUOTE]
Only fuel at hinton is 100LL
There was a couple of movements at hinton late yesterday afternoon, but thats all..

Link to the latest from the Beds on Sunday, what passes for a "newspaper" around here. It predictably contains the usual imbecilic spoutings of expert local residents and the compulsory boll eaux about annihilating schools.

It seems the flying school has indeed had its licence pulled.

Crashed plane's owner defends safety record | Bedfordshire Local News, Local News Headlines in Bedford | Bedfordshire Newspaper Online

"Mind you, they never uplift at CFD and make you land at Hinton for mogas"

That's an interesting statement, I was under the impression that mogas could only be used if a) the aircraft has the appropriate STC and b) is not being used for 'aerial work'. I assume flight training constitutes aerial work in this context - have the rules changed?

I'll qualify that a bit...

In the same sentence, we were told that they "use Mogas".

Again, assumption made that they had be refuelled elsewhere as Cranfield only supply 100LL and JetA1.

Thanks for the clarification, but the last time I flew into Hinton the one and only fuel pump was AVGAS.

So where does the MOGAS come from, you'd need up to 25 Imp gallons to refuel a Tomahawk?

First of all my thoughts are with the people involved in the accident and their families wishing them both a speedy recovery, I have rented PA-38's from Hinton since February and flew G-BGBN four weeks ago. Prices I have been paying are £85/hr wet during winter and £100/hr wet during summer with all hours paid for in bulk, not quite sure where the £75/hr comes in or about the mogas statement either as Hinton is 100LL.

No idea if they used it, but one of PFT's bases is now Sywell, and Sywell have mogas. Mogas is legal for flight training - Brooklands at Sywell put it in their AT3's.

tesco's?;)

As something of an aside - and not wishing to cast asperions - what is the legal situation regarding negligence and liability from the perspective of the instructor in this accident?

The 'impossible turn' - if that is what it was proved to be - is well-known and not something an instructor would be expected to execute in an EFATO situation.

I do not know of any circumstances where liability has been proven and civil action taken against a flying instructor?

It is appreciated that this subject has been discussed in other Threads over the years, but no clear opinion seems to have been decided?

A difficult subject to broach in view of the injury to the occupants, but nevertheless potentially of interest to all pilots and instructors.

KR

FOK

The possible "impossible turn" has featured here in the past.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct...t6L2dblTop1v3A

Jetblu, indeed, and more recently here:

http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...turn-back.html

SD

For info of anyone with bookings, PFT's office at Cranfield is closed. They have a note advising anyone with bookings to contact one of their other bases (closed until 20th June).

A few people have mentioned the aircraft owner. Well if you Google/Bing "alexander kirk chris maurice" and you will see the beginnings of a story about 2 of the most intriguing characters in General Aviation!

iRaven

Rob
 

If you are correct PFT are in for a big payday by taking the newspaper to court for libel, much more profitable that aviation.

PFT Cranfield crash victims named
 

The Milton Keynes Citizen newspaper has now identified the two victims of the Cranfield crash as instructor Sam Lyons (24) and student Roger Kingsley. Sam Lyons is described as being the manager of PFT Cranfield.