Carlisle
 

I see from the NOTAMs that Carlisle will be unlicensed from 11th to 22nd Feb due to no RFFS, and it seems ATC is not being provided at weekends - only A/G.

Is this a temporary thing due to firemen's holidays or something, or something more permanent?

NS

It's purely a temporary thing.

Depends on your definition of temporary of course :E It's been like that with ATC and A/G Radio for 2 or 3 years now IIRC. The lack of RFFS started last year, conveniently, after the need for it to conduct PPL training was removed.

More to do with lack of staff, rather than them being on holiday.

Not sure if you can access historical NOTAMs, if you can, I guess you could check. Just had a quick look myself and you can go back to the beginning of January easily.

What happened to the plans to radically update Carlisle by Stobart Airs backers WA Developments?

SGC

I think planning is causing all sorts of problems, someone local might know more.

I really don't know what the fuss is about. The licencing of aerodromes and provision of all these exciting services is a strange British disease.

While I was in New Zealand I flew from Wanaka. No radio except safetycom equivalent, no approach procedures worth a damn.

However there was a regular commercial flight to Christchurch flown by a pleasant young lady. She turned up and announced herself, joined the traffic pattern, unloaded her passengers and their luggage. Reloaded and departed with similar formalities.

As long as we all follow the convetions and announce what we're doing on the correct frequency, where's the problem?

Much like a lot of "untowered" fields I fly into in the States. Just a runway and a load of hangers. Radio is Unicom, usually an "ATIS" on 3 clicks of the Unicom frequency and lights for 7 clicks.

Never thought to ask if they were licensed or wot ?

What's the implications for an aerodrome (or even a runway?) to be licensed, or not? (insurance, perhaps?)
I seem to remember there was a time when tuition was only allowed at licensed a/d's, but this is no longer the case? What relevance remains?

A licenced airfield should guarnentee a certain level of runway condition, mostly in the case of grass fields, but free from FOD and pot holes at least.

It also indicates a level of fire cover. For small GA strips this usually means training the girls who make the bacon sandwiches to use the fire equipment, and having a ropey old Land-Rover with a tank of foam and hose on the back.

Last time I went to Carlisle I was moving BNFL loads to Dounreay. Do these flights still happen?

I think Dounreay closed a decade or two ago.

Dounreay the runway is used as a car park now and the control tower is the visitors center.

Still theoretically in progress, but not as ambitious as the original idea which was referred to a public enquiry, then promptly withdrawn. Nothing much happening with the development since 2010, all the resource seems to be going to their other airport, at Southend.

You've not had the pleasure of using Carlisle's tarmac then? ;)

JW411:Was that in DanAir 748s? Scary stuff! No radar cover, uncontrolled airspace chock full of mad Buccaneer pilots flying at anything from 100 to 10,000 feet and speaking to no-one, nothing but an NDB (no DME) approach, and only an 1100m runway with a 1.6% downhill slope in the prevailing 22 direction. Oh and 625ft agl radio masts at about 1.5nm final. MDH must have been something ridiculous. And all of this with what - spent nuclear fuel rods? - on board. I doff my hat to you for that sort of flying - I'm sure it wouldn't be allowed these days.
NS

No. Even worse. BAe146.

DanAir had it easy.

Ah, right. Well, for whatever reason - maybe the obvious ones! - they moved those to Wick.

NS

One of the reasons we went to Wick was the horrendous cost of fuel at Dounreay. It was at least 3 times what it was elswhere.

Stobarts have tied the development of the airport in with moving their other operations in the area onto the airport site - this has attracted a degree of planning scrutiny, public inquiry's, appeals etc and doesn't seem to be going anywhere fast

Stobarts still want to do at carlisle what they are doing at southend only the council are dead against it for whatever crazy reason????

Carlisle and the Council still live in the stone age, the road system is dire, you get a smoother road surface on ruined sections of Hadrians wall than you do around the town centre and along Brampton Rd, the police as still shacked up in a shop in the Town Centre post the floods that hit the station several years ago, they built the new swimming pool 20 odd years ago about 2 ft short of Olympic standard, this ensuring it couldn't be used for competition, par for the course really and indicative of the Council and their planning.
Here is an example of the dogs dinners they come up with

News & Star | News | Carlisle bridge:

Ohhh and I was born and bred in Carlisle, the airport and the possible advantages it could bring to the city are an on going travesty.