In Canada I have seen restrictions published on RC and kite flying.

Some Fagin could get his jollies by handing out kites to sprogs in local parks:}

Airspace Restrictions
 

Well you could "emigrate" to the west country for a couple of months and not put up with all this nonsense.
Devon and Cornwall is a fantastic place to fly and plenty of "non radio" places still around.
Its just like the "firearms" issue, it stops the law abiding citizens, but does not prevent criminals getting what they want.
Nothing to do with security all to do with huges fees being paid to consultants to come up with something that looks like it is important.
I know someone who flew a very old aircraft through one of the "hottest" areas in the world "protected" by a massive and in its day up to date system, result the first they knew he was there was when he called finals !!
Nothings changed they would be better off using the "bush telegraph" system and the B.....y Spotters to really know what is going on.
What are they going to do about all the white vans driving around !!!
Its all a big excuse of a joke to pretend they have it under control.

From The Horse's Mouth
 

So, there you are then - it's the Government with their leaden fists again screwing everything up.

If it's security that Dave, Nick, George and the other hateful tossers are so worried about, I'd be more concerned about what retribution a certain cheesed-off Libyan dictator might be planning, as opposed to paralysing the activities of private aviators in the South... :uhoh:

Smithy

Wake up at the back there.

1) Regulatory body publishes outrageously draconian proposals, conceived in-house on the basis of vague mandate from political management.

2) Affected community goes ballistic. Preparations are made for lawsuits. Community girds loins to apply heat direct to political management.

3) Attention is brought to how regulator inflicted massive damage on another section of the community less than 24 months ago on the basis of an equally unsubstantiated safety case.

4) Regulatory body has collective trouser-accident, wheels out spin-doctor to try and shift the focus of blame elsewhere.

doesn't an aircraft carrier need to be doing X knts to have the wind over the nose for take offs? even with the steam cats?
I'd love to see an aircraft carrier try and do 30kts up the thames :-)!!!

Hope they don't park it of Canvey Island, they'd wake up to a floating metal skeleton after the locals were done :-) :eek:

Think you're forgetting eharding that politicians/Whitehall have been involved, as we all know whenever these serpents get their grubby hands on anything it's bound to get hopelessly buggered beyond comprehension. :hmm:

CAA/NATS were commanded from on high to implement this at the wishes of HMG, I am led to believe.

Smithy

Not if they use Harriers!

Oh no, I forgot, we got rid of those as we thought we'd never need themhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...milies/bah.gif.

Wishes of HMG are that everything goes off without a hitch. Regulator attempts to implement that by effectively grounding everything VFR it possibly can.

I don't see NATS as the villain here - the proposed CAS(T) changes to cope with anticipated extra demand published last month seem perfectly reasonable.

So surprise, surprise it's the Home Office/Dept of Transport that have come up with this nonsense.

It's shows what the politicians and civil servants really think of general aviation. Remember that research that AOPA did about how much GA pumped into the UK economy and how many people are employed in GA?

The government in the UK still think GA flying is a rich man's sport and this is clearly demonstrated by these draconian restrictions.

I propose a day of (legal) protest of some sort. Any ideas?

fireflybob. I'm all for protests, but isn't it worth trying to get our representative bodies involved, and do a bit of lobbying? I think I'll write a letter to my MP, email to BMAA, and perhaps make a couple of calls to local flying schools. The more businesses affected that stand up and complain, the more likely something will happen (or at least, that's what I think).

But I'm open to suggestions. Any ideas?

IanPZ, yes I totally agree that we should protest through the normal channels - a fax is going to my MP - suggest we all do the same.

Perhaps another point that should be made is that at a time when many businesses are struggling for survival, limiting GA flying for this period of time, especially when the hours of daylight are longer and the weather factor is better, may be enough to tip some FTOs into insolvency.

Surely these FTOs and other GA organisations should get some sort of compensation from the EU funds which UK taxpayers contribute to on a fairly massive basis?

Two points to add to this debate:

1) I have heard that the normally Class G areas of this zone will apparently be manned by RAF air traffickers rather than civvy (despite EGLF LARS covering most of it).

2) According to the AOPA website, after a meeting in March there was 'loose talk' of AWACS, Typhoons and Apaches being used for any unknown traffic entering the zone. If you were to fly non-squawking and unannounced, as AOPA says, brush up on your interception procedures.

It may just be me, but has anyone found a hi res version of the proposed zones, so we can get a proper list of all affected airfields and airstrips?

Hi,

Did anyone get a copy of the restricted and prohibited areas map? I was going to spend some time this weekend listing out which airfields are hit by it, but when I went to the website just now, it was gone (not just the map, but the whole web site!)

Ta, IPZ

Perhaps the goons have realized that:-
1. closing South East England's airspace for 2 months for a 2 week event is just a little OTT. (I know it wouldn't technically be closed but in my neck of the woods Farnborough would be responsible and they can't really cope now)
2. Forcing the VIPs out of their helicopters and onto the roads is not a good security move

Map 2012
 

Map is still on BMAA web forum too, here's one they prepared earlier!

http://www.skywalkerassociates.co.uk...estriction.jpg

It sounds like somebody has screwed up their server. It happens. The bigger the organisation, the more likely it is that nobody is in charge of keeping tabs on the hosting :)

The CAA has also stopped dealing with emails. You get the auto-responder reply but no response thereafter.

No restriction on IFR traffic........

The aircraft that took-out the twin towers was VFR? :rolleyes:

I detect the edict of person who has their finger fully on the pulse of aviation security. We can all rest easy now because no naughty person with evil intent will be allowed to fly over the Olympic site, because it will be illegal. I'm sure a stiff penalty will persuade the very hottest militant to behave. And if they do go flying, I'm sure they'll be intercepted and shot down by... Errm... Er? How do we actually enforce this?

It's an excellent move. Make the buggers use the Tube like every other poor sod. With any luck, a few will get mugged. And you'll have to excuse me for being a bit anti-Olympic. The whole thing stinks and the sooner its over and done with the better. It's piss poor value for money, incredible disruption, only benefits a few and yet again, I'll be paying for another bloody fiasco.

PM

Not all VIPs are moving to and from the Olympics. Some have their normal jobs to go to!

I would have thought all this attention to security for the Olympic games would be a perfect time for terrorists to launch an attack on one of the other large cities in UK!

The cynic in me says that the olympics are just an excuse so that the restrictions can be put in place. They may be relaxed but won't be put back to they way things were.

From my limited dealings with SB on the subject of aviation there is quite a large feeling that they want more control or more information about what private flights are up to. They seem not to bothered about IFR airways flights because there is a record of what you have been up to. But they really don't like the fact that a private flight can fire up and dissappear without anyone knowing where they are going or who and what they have onboard and not talk to anyone.

We even had a very excited SB Sgt turn up with instrument plates they had found on a forgien reg private aircraft wanting to know what they were. He was quite shocked to find out you could download them off the web. He wanted to confiscate my Luchars, Conningsby,Valley,Kinloss, Lossie and Marham plates under the anti terrorism act because they were mil fields and air defense bases. He was quite put out when I said it would be fun in court because the RAF sells them to anyone that phones up with a credit card for 16 quid a set if you phone this number. I might add he did phone the number and wasn't very happy with what the lady at the other end said to him.

Yes, the restrictions on GA area going to be a nuisance.
But the disruption to surface traffic, both private and public, is going to be appalling over the whole of central and east London. Plus the risk of terrorist action anywhere in the area.

The air restrictions won't affect me because I'm going to stay well clear of London for the entire period :ok:

Did you get his name or serial number?

Something like that ought to get elevated all the way to the top.

Mind you, most professions are self selecting on the primary personality traits, and the "control other people" professions show this most strongly :)

and they're going to have to suck it up, because in a free country (which we certainly used to be) this information comes under the 'none of your goddam business' category. I'm sure they'd like 'flight plans' and 'special branch approvals' for yachts, speedboats, private cars, buses, Lambrettas, unicycles, rollerskates etc but the same applies.

Nah it was sorted.

I am not suprised he was concerned really. You wouldn't really expect to have someone out of the blue to show you plans for the UK's mil QRA bases in a nice little printed book. And if you know jack about aviation......

They should maybe though have a central information point though so that they don't look complete tubes and they have a country wide policy on such matters. From what I can tell each force has its own policy with different levels of involvement and different interpretations of the act.

To be fair our local ones arn't a problem, if anything is suspicious they get informed, they come and have a chat occasionally all quite friendly and the way it should be really. There boss has proberly more experence than most of terrorists, comes across as a hard but fair copper who you would be advised not to take the wee out of. I have no complaints to be honest.

Mad Jock you might be amused by one here. Told we would arrive back at our own private strip at "about 1800hrs" I was informed "You must not land until I arrive". So I says 1) how will I know you have arrived? 2) if you are late what happens when I run out of fuel? etc etc. Up steps Sgt. who says to youngster "Go away and when you have learned we are here to serve, you may go outside once more" Well that was the gist of what he said anyway. Job done everyone happy

Yes it did amuse.

Mad Jock

Any chance of posting that number? I've been trying to find out how to get info/plates for Benson.

Actually, I'll take my compensation by repositioning the fleet there for the duration please Mr Cameron - FOC of course.

Don't have the number with me but its No 1 AIDU RAF Northolt.

From a quick surf the general enquires number for Northolt is 020 8845 2300.

Ta very muchly.

Word about a proposed legal challenge and associated fighting fund here:

http://forums.flyer.co.uk/viewtopic....9015&start=285

You can't buy them as a one off they make you take the update service through the AIDU.

One of the lads got his off an Aerad subscription but its a bit of pot luck which set has which mil airfields.

They do them as separates.

AERAD Aerodrome Booklet : AERAD - Airplan Flight Equipment

And finally found a link https://www.aidu.mod.uk

See: https://www.aidu.mod.uk/Milflip/prod...launch_aip.htm and look under 'Aerodromes' - all details for Benson, including approach charts, are included.

Bookmarked that link.

When did they go public again on the Mil AIP Beagle?

It was a bloody stupid and dangerous thing to do restricting it to try and earn some buttons in the grand scale of things

Not sure, m_j and I can't recall who gave me the link.

I think that it went public again after the oh-so secret squirrel low flying stuff was moved elsewhere.

From the BBC website:
Should have bought British.

Well done BEAgle, I think you saved me £16. (Except cost of printing 16 pages of Benson stuff)

VFR conspicuity code in the UK is 7000.

1200 is autonomous fighter operations in the UK (but VFR conspicuity in many other countries).

This has embarrassed the occasional pilot just back from doing their licence in the USA !

G