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Originally Posted by phokker
(Post 9747735)
The owners have had alot of grief for decades from a pilot with a hangar at rednal.
This person has left after a succesful legal fight. The owners do not want general aviation at rednal because it is an unsafe site with high-voltage UK-nat-grid pylons crossing it (height under-reported in flight guides), roads and access at each end and parallel, fencing and cattle next to runway, farming access across it, remote control aircraft club, amateur rocketry and occasional ballooning, aerostats, drones and gyrocopter flying by the owners. The runway is pitted, weed-infested and potholed in places and there are no plans to maintain it. The departed pilot made a habit of noisy aerobatics over and around rednal, advertising the place and putting it about he was the owner. this has fed into a notion that it's ok to go and have a blast at rednal - it isn't. Countermeasures? Well put it this way: we've already had a near miss between someone flying low and a gyrocopter just taken off. So if pilots think it's OK to carry on as they want to in spite of owners, tenants and stakeholders wishes, then they ought to be prepared for the unexpected. Sorry if we don't sound very nice, but it's been decades of hassle and we're no longer in any sort of mood to be conciliatory. It's really very simple - THE OWNERS OF REDNAL AIRFIELD WANT PILOTS TO RESPECT THEIR WISHES FOR ITS USE. And those wishes are that it be a private, mostly closed, facility. Does it need any further explanation? So phokker, is there a 'downside' side to visiting Rednal ? Sounds like a fun place ! |
Originally Posted by Tay Cough
(Post 9749849)
If the law says right but left will keep you alive, will you still blindly turn right?
SSD may have had a perfectly valid reason to turn left. But perhaps pilotmike will never believe (judging by his presumptive and judgemental post) that I actually knew that. And of course there was plenty of room for both me and the Zlin to turn to the same side of the runway had he done so as well (we were well separated when I turned early - so actually he didn't need to and indeed didn't, running in for aeros as he was and seeing me turn away). Had he done so, however, neither of us, unlike (one suspects) pilotmike, would be executing 'rate one' turns so would remain well separated! We were are both (I know the Zlin pilot of course) aviators rather than aeroplane drivers. And OMG! Flying a short 100' downwind to an immediate landing! So soon after the last approach, too! Pilotmike seems to think there is some elapsed time one has to wait between approaches, and (my turn to be presumptive) probably flies bomber circuits and wound have droned around Shropshire for 25 minutes before approaching again, by which time the circuit traffic situation would be a complete unknown to him. And boasting? I thought I was merely relating an amusing and perfectly safe strip flying bit of fun. Pilotmike wouldn't seem to know about such things, it seems. |
Too right SSD I've always found that when in a situation like yours you evaluate the situation and decide on a course of action. I've never found the air law etc comes into mind at that particular moment!
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(one suspects) pilotmike, would be executing 'rate one' turns so would remain well separated! Pilotmike seems to think there is some elapsed time one has to wait between approaches wound[sic] have droned around Shropshire for 25 minutes before approaching again Pilotmike wouldn't seem to know about such things As to your presumptive points, Wrong, Wrong and Wrong. In my 15 years of instructing in light aircraft etc, I generally taught tighter circuits than other instructors did, for both expediency and safety. I also put far greater emphasis on glide approaches than others did, for similar reasons. I have no issue with flying tight circuits. But one completed to "land prob a minute or less after the go-around." sounded impossible to achieve safely, especially with "farmhouse rotating around the Chippy's wingtip not far below" But each to their own... Whichever way, good luck with flying at 100' after your sharp left turn to avoid HT wires to the right, after telling us you were caught unawares by power poles, with no knowledge of where the wires were. |
I can lend you a shovel if you like, pilotmike. ;)
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Originally Posted by Shaggy Sheep Driver
(Post 9750758)
I can lend you a shovel if you like, pilotmike. ;)
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Czechoslovakian (as was) aerobatic job. Good at it; passing resemblance to a Chippie.
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Originally Posted by m.Berger
(Post 9750930)
Czechoslovakian (as was) aerobatic job. Good at it; passing resemblance to a Chippie.
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If you want a shovel, try one of these for Rednal...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr_POXzajjg Now that's Countermeasures... . |
Originally Posted by tobster911
(Post 9750879)
. SSD, what's a zlin?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zl%C3%ADn_Z-50 |
what's a zlin? |
Never seen a Zlin with tip tanks before.
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phokker:SSD:
there was plenty of room for both me and the Zlin to turn to the same side of the runway had he done so as well ... running in for aeros as he was and seeing me turn away... The owners do not want general aviation at rednal... The departed pilot made a habit of noisy aerobatics over and around rednal, advertising the place... this has fed into a notion that it's ok to go and have a blast at rednal - it isn't... It's really very simple - THE OWNERS OF REDNAL AIRFIELD WANT PILOTS TO RESPECT THEIR WISHES FOR ITS USE... Does it need any further explanation? |
mmmm... back to Flyer...
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... just been on SkyDemon and although there is limited information under 'Airfields' the following is promulgated:
Approach Information - Runway 22/04 (Asphalt) 700m x 40m Admin Information - Telephone number and e-mail address. The point being the airfield is shown on the chart and listed in the directory - it is not shown as being 'closed'. Maybe time for an amendment to SkyDemon if the airfield is in poor condition and the owners don't want aircraft to visit? |
Rednal amusement
Thank you pilotmike - there are at least some responsible and considerate fliers in the community.
some people's attitude beggars belief, let alone their idea of what constitutes amusement, or safety - unbelievable. can anyone tell me SSD's aircraft regnos - we'll keep some bogroll handy. and thank you spanner - didnt know about skydemon - will let the owners know and they should contact the publishers. any other guides that should be notified? just that there's likely to be construction work at rednal airfield soon and we wouldn't want any more 'amusing' bogroll-type incidents. |
Is West Felton Knockin still going?
I used it many times during the 1990's. Seems to be still there on Google Earth [IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/2rghoo1.jpg[/IMG] |
Originally Posted by Jay Sata
(Post 9777167)
Is West Felton Knockin still going?
I used it many times during the 1990's. Seems to be still there on Google Earth |
The LAAS airfield list gives it as "Sandford Hall" - but dates from 2013.
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Yes, Knockin is alive and well as per the photo with a number of aircraft based there.
Contact the owner as listed in the guides if you want access. |
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