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peter272 14th May 2010 12:55

I called it something else.....:ok:

Maoraigh1 14th May 2010 20:35

ORS4_784
 
If I'm right, this virtually prohibits revallidation in Permit-to-fly aircraft. Do the CAA want everyone to be like me, flying a group owned taildragger, but with my last flight with an instructor in a taildragger ending at 14.35 on 23 January 1965?
(I get a check-out to fly a rent plane once or twice a year)

"c) For aircraft with a maximum take-off weight authorised not exceeding 2730 kg, whenever a flight pursuant to this exemption is conducted in a non-EASA aircraft, the last scheduled maintenance inspection prior to the flight shall have been certified by an appropriately licensed engineer or suitably approved organisation who shall have issued a Certificate of Release to Service in respect thereof.
d) At the time of any flight pursuant to this exemption in a non-EASA aircraft there shall have been no pilot maintenance carried out since the maintenance inspection referred to in sub-paragraph c) above."

Crash one 15th May 2010 00:45

This co ownership/LAA membership may have been done to death on the legalities bit. My view, for what it's worth is, a group member is getting the benefit of the permit system, as opposed to throwing his cheque book & mortgage details into the CofA maintenance organisation at renewal time or at any other "it's busted, fix it time". The idea of trying to duck through every loophole that is available seems to be the way people think nowadays. If it costs £65 a year membership + £180 permit renewal divided by the group number (5) =£101 per year, if you then have to replace a cylinder costing £400 divided by 5 it's a bit cheaper than a new engine at several K divided by 5. I'm lucky, I paid the full £400 myself!
If you are in a group, play the game, have a bit of moral discipline, if you don't like the heat, get out of the bloody kitchen. Whether it is "legal" in the eyes of the "law" should have nothing to do with it.

ak7274 15th May 2010 05:45

Maoraigh,

The following was sent to me by FCL when I queried my upgrading my NPPL to JAA PPL on my own Permit a/C less than a month ago.

Your query is covered by AIC: W 071/2009 on the NATS Aeronautical Information Service website. A link to this is below.

http://www.nats-uk.ead-it.com/aip/current/aic/EG_Circ_2009_W_071_en.pdf

Regards

Gareth Chaney-Brownbill
Licensing Officer
Licensing & Training Standards

Maoraigh1 15th May 2010 20:12

Thanks. But ORS4_784 is dated January 2010, so presumably overrules AIC: W 071/2009.


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