LAA to take aircraft up to 5 seats / 450hp
 

The CAA are supporting a proposal to extend the range of aircraft eligible for an LAA permit to include aircraft up to 2000kg, 300mph, 450hp and 5 seats! This would include things like the Yak 52. Aircraft with a c of a will have to stay, for now at least, but CAA permit types will be able to transfer.

Rod1

Should that be 2000Kg?

SD

Yes :suspect:

Rod1

Rod1

Have you got a reference for the original proposal? Is this part of the EASA agenda?

Peter

No ref as far as EASA is concerned; I am quoting from the LAA mag. Looks to me like the CAA want to pass its annex ll aircraft over to the LAA, but that is just a guess.

Rod1

From my limited knowledge, the CAA have been keen to dump the low-end on to the LAA for some time. I'd guess we'd need to see if money and staffing go with it, as the LAA is strapped for cash.

A move from Turweston to the Belgrano perhaps?

IFR?

No, I suspected not.

I'm not going to LAA-laa land until we have LAA aircraft doing IFR.

Tim

There is currently work going on in that direction Tim (and night, of course).

For example, Steve Noujaim's article in one of the mags a few months ago (about his Cape Record attempt in a G reg RV-7) mentioned that he was getting positive vibes and guidance from the CAA on this.

I know nothing personally, but I'm hoping for a lifting of the curtain soon on the work evidently being done on this.

CAA have always been quite happy for all sorts of Annex II work to move out of the Belgrano.

So, the BMAA took on type approved microlight approvals a few years ago, and LAA have been steadily encroaching on larger and vintage aeroplanes.

All good news so far as I can see - a bigger mass allows the associations to do a better job, and they'll certainly be more competent and user friendly than CAA is capable of being for private owners.

Whilst CAA continues to oversee the associations, which is fair enough - somebody should (although oversight of CAA is sadly lacking since they managed to do away with ARB about a decade ago.)

G

Perhaps they could do with people like you onboard to help make it happen?

I'll predict that it will happen in the next few years - probably subject however to a certified engine and primary flight instruments, and handling assessed to CS.23 standards. None of which should be a major issue for something like a Europa or Vans.

G

They will have to bring the low-end certified fleet in as well. It makes absolutely no sense for some of the advanced permit aircraft to be able to fly at night, in IFR etc, when low-end CofA aircraft such as Cubs, Robins etc are stuck with the cost and hassle-factor of EASA/CAA oversight.

“I'm not going to LAA-laa land until we have LAA aircraft doing IFR.”

It has been amusing to see the excuses for not joining the LAA change over the years. At one time it was “toy aircraft with no range and speed”. The average kit aircraft 15 years ago would out perform a club spamcan, so this stopped. Then it was “only 2 seats, I have to have 4 even if I never use them”. The LAA gained 3 and 4 seaters some time ago. Then it was “you cannot fly over the built up bits”, we got that removed recently. The IFR excuse is being worked on and will follow the other excuses into history. This would of course happen more quickly if you all joined and we had more resources.

Rod1

Rod1

You are right, and consequently I 've just joined via the website

Keep up the good work :ok:

Imagine if the RV10 ever got IFR clearance. I'm sure sales would go through the roof.

Its only a matter of time. Better buy it now before the price goes through the roof!

mmgreve

“I 've just joined via the website”

Good man! Welcome to the LAA. If I can be of any help, drop me a PM.

Now, what about the rest of you…

Rod1

If nothing else it's worth joining the LAA just for the Magazine which gets posted to your house !!

Arc

I also have to praise the LAA. I posted my aircraft permit renewal at 2pm on a Monday and the permit arrived in the post at 10am Wednesday at a cost of £180.

I also did my biannual flight review with an LAA examiner in his lovely Auster. I put the fuel in his aircraft, made him a cup of tea and paid my £10 (I think) fee to the LAA and my licence was valid for 2 yrs.

The NPPL is brilliant if you only want to fly in the UK (but may be accepted elswhere soon) and as I alredy had a UK PPL all I had to do was get a £10 medical record review from my doctor which is valid for 5 yrs.

Overflight of built up areas is no longer an issue.

Overal the service is quick, reasonably priced and leaves the owner and his LAA inspector in charge. It is the savior of private avaiation as I would have just stopped flying if I had to rent a certified club aircraft in order to fly.

Perhaps the only area they could improve is the speed of approval of modifications and other more complex non standard issues. These can take a while as they are very thorough in their review and always seem to be very busy.

I would encourage people to join and there is a good free magazine which rivals the other publications if you are a member.

DJ

LAA are brilliant!
 

Plus they have reasonable priced good quality clothes (sweashirts etc) with logo;)
Lister:)

Easy to make excuses why you shouldn't be a member.
I fly all over the UK, Ireland and a good chunk of Europe in a LAA aircraft and on the NPPL licence, no IFR and no mad fees, but then it suits me just fine.

Jon