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davidatter708 30th May 2007 21:54

Now I dont know why but I never had the problem of landing it might have been the 20hrs I had passenger in an rv6 before doing my ppl but Not only mess about with approaches but with flap I can say I hate third stage of flap on a cessna and unless I really mess up am on a short field i never use it it is only ever 2 stages however im happy with none and 1. I think one of the musts is have the aircraft decently trimmed than you dont have to yank right back in the flair. I also practised on different rwy lengths from the longest about 900 meters to the shortest 335 meters (shortest licensed rwy in the uk:p) and dont worry bout where you going to land just what speed you approach. At the end of the day if you aint having fun and are stressing too much you wont perform your best. Hope this helps if not oh well. I fly a c152 if you wanna know.
David
ps you can feel the onset to the stall and you wuill know wether you r too high or low.

redbarron55 31st May 2007 20:59

The secret
 
The secret is like flying - "Throw yourself at the ground and miss"
The Hitch Hikers Gude To the Galaxy.
The other answer is 42.

18greens 31st May 2007 22:28

'Throw yourself at the gound and miss!!'

Redbarron you just beat me to it!!! And theres a fair piece of truth to it!!!!

Mikehotel152 1st Jun 2007 09:22

Badly, twice yesterday...:{ Let's just say, I arrived.;)

Very uncharacteristic, but true...

davidatter708 1st Jun 2007 10:09

Better than not arriving

gasax 1st Jun 2007 11:00

Sometimes with great beauty, where the tranistion from air to ground results only in the wheels turning and the noise and airflow decreasing.

Sometimes with great daring where the turbulence and obstacles are surmounted and potholes avoided.

Sometimes a little ugly with the craft rattling to a halt.

But best of all wait for a day with just the lightest dusting of snow. Take off to one side of the strip and then land a couple of times in the same place on the other side. Best result? 3 within 35m But calm air and I was trying.

All done with the sort of thing talked about here - the same fully trimmed airspeed, power controls height, the aircraft must not arrive but gently alight from a held off position.

redbarron55 1st Jun 2007 13:14

Energy control
 
The secret ois in control of energy in the system. Airspeed and altitude are energy, Drag uses up energy.
Too fast and you have too much energy and too high does the same.
The reason that a good approach leads to a good landing is the energy in within the proper range.
You can change the drag with flaps and side slipping, within limits. Power from the engine will also modify energy. All of the available control need to be used to manage energy so that the energy required for flight at some speed is balanced correctly at the point of touchdown.
I love taildraggers because tha window of energy at touchdown is so wide. You can land from stall speed to cruise depending on if yoy are three pointing or wheel landing. With a tricycle gear the only viable option is the three point at or slightly above the stall.
Faster you chance wheelbarrowing or floating like a fast frisbee over a hot parking lot. The brakes won't work very well either. Slower and you arrive with a great thump.
Just remember flying and landing particularly is a matter of control of energy in the system, how to get some or lose some at the right time.:ok:


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