PPL Training
 

OKay here goes a question probably asked a million times..
Im hoping to book a course at either Ormond beach or Orlando flight training in march for a 21day PPL. Any opinions or advice about either school would be appreciated.. are there any flight schools offerin 21 day PPL in south africa/canada/europe because if there is i cant find them..or is the states the best option. i would prefer to do it at barton but the cost is just too much

any advice guys

I recommend Ormond Beach Aviation. I successfully completed my PPL with this company and it was fun. As stated in many threads, just do some prior learning before you go there. If possible, take the exams before you go to Ormond to fly. The engineers at Ormond are the best I've ever seen. They know exactly what they are doing.

Best of luck.

WP

hi, Im in a similar situation to yourself. I was going to head out to ormond beach before somebody changed my mind and im now looking at Orlando flight training for a 60 day module course. OFT looks very professional and I have only heard good comments about the place.

Good look with your decision.

Chris

This thread probably deserves to be in Private Flying.

I doubt come flights, visas and accommodation your PPL will be that much more in the UK. If anything go for the weather.

Visa and accomodation are all included in the OBA price, which also includes TSA and SEVIS fees, and a £230 OBA study back from AFE. PPL course is £3700 ish, so once you've paid for all these things, you only ending up owing OBA £3300 ish.

Flights there are about £350 return.

What in theory, or in practice HB? := :ok:

hello, M79,
You probably posted in this forum because you want to go on to a JAA CPL/IR? If this is so, then all you need is an FAA PPL, not JAA, which can be done in many places in the US for less money and in under 21 days. If you really want to be sure, you can get the book in the UK, even do the ground exam in the UK, as well as the medical, but all should be possible well within the 21 days in the US too.
Bear in mind that you loose a JAA PPL when you do a higher JAR licence, the FAA is there to keep (even without any more testing ever).
You may have to study a bit more for the JAA exams, but nobody stops you from doing that if you do the FAA PPL. ;)
cheers IP

Why do you loose a JAA PPL when you acquire a higher license? Elaborate on that or please provide some pointers.

WP

I suggest that a PPL in the USA will be substantially cheaper than the UK. Having knowlege of both OBA and OFT, I know where I would prefer to go! All inclusive prices at some places are not the same as all inclusive prices at others! You need to be sure that "all inclusive" is exactly that! The surprise "extras" at the end can take the shine off of the experience! Personally, I would choose OBA since it is apparent that they have cleaned up their act during recent times:)

It is a shame that NAC are not doing JAA training since they were in my opinion the best of the three.

with regards to what? info on OBA, or flights to FL?

In either case both are true. I did my ppl last year and it was only £2700 total, which included stuff I mentioned above.

And I booked a flight back to OBA 2 days ago for £330.

So ya, in practice I guess.
:p

There's me trying to work that out in my head. You putting OFT and OBA in alpha order, or using their full names Ormond Beach, and Orlando Flight training, cause it makes a difference.

worldpilot,
the point is that you don't NEED a JAA PPL.
A secondary point is that you loose your JAA PPL when you get the JAA CPL (In my JAA country anyways, they take the PPL and give you the CPL. - If this is any different in Germany, then this may be so).
However, M79s question was about the speed a PPL can be done at, and he correctly didn't mention that he wanted to do a JAA PPL. So I just elaborated on that.
(Free night qualification is part of the FAA PPL too.)
cheers, IP

that is included in OBA's price as well

The UK CAA do not take your JAR PPL (A) away once you obtain a UK JAR CPL (A). If you want you can renew both. There's just not much point.

I know that the IAA do take the Irish JAR PPL(A)'s away when they issue a Irish JAR CPL (A), but this is not the case in the UK

:ok:

simply got to give OBA credit. going back for 3rd time in november, its so much fun.

chances are as he was looking at OBA and OFT both are UK approved FTO's, probably a 95% chance he was talking about a UK licence and not an american. Plenty of places elsewhere you would at least look at, if you werent doing JAR training.

We expect that the original poster wants to go on to JAR CPL, as he posted originally in the professional forum. Therefore he needs an ICAO PPL, which he wants to do in the US, Europe or Africa. He wants to do this in the least of time and no one can answer these questions to date.

I have never even looked into any of the mentioned schools, as I have the licence already, so I googled them now and found two schools in Ormond Beach.

One offers an ICAO PPL with night qualification and RT licence (which is not a JAR requirement, but a UK thing) for USD6466. The other offers an ICAO PPL with night qualification and RT licence for USD3590 (under FAAs, you are entitled to an RT licence - you simply order + pay online, a couple of weeks later it's in your letterbox).

At the end, you get a very similar product, both usable for what he needs it. The more expensive one includes landing fees (which are almost non-existing in the US), VAT (which is somewhere around 6 or 7 %), accommodation. So you are paying around USD2500 for 21 nights accommodation, which is quite steep.

But the orginal poster wants it done in 21 days, and this is easier accomplished under the FAA system (due to the ground exams). - If it was for price, then I am sure there are cheaper FAA PPLs around, and the JAA PPL can be had for the same money in JAA land, but as he said he wants to go there for the quick licence. No one, including me, has actually answered his question wether there are other places offering QUICK PPLs.

out. IP

Man this thing is sooo complex. :confused:

Like matjr79 I am looking at getting my books and reading through them through Nov - March and hopefully get out and do an intense PPL licence. I have looked at Florida and must say I am well impressed but the preassure is there. It has also been argued tha doing your PPL is abot enjoying the flying and doing it over a few months is much nicer?!?

Taking a month off work is not going to be easy but it can be done. But it would be much less hard work to simply do it in the UK ... :ugh:

I'm still putting the money in the PPL Account and LloydsTSB and will sort this hurdle out when I get to it :{

Andrew
(Looking to complete all training for commercial Pilot)

Could somebody explain the main differences between the JAA \ FAA PPL?
I know a FAA is easier to maintain in the long run however is there any major difference in the training you receive?

If I were you i'd add NAC to your list and go there to do your PPL. Its an excellant shool and got me through it. Someone said they arnt offering JAA training, well thats new news to me, im sure they are.

If you get a JAA PPL you can get an FAA PPL to on top of that, you just need to go for an interview. They are virtually the same, just that they allow you to fly in different countries.

Have you had a look at intensive courses in the uk? How much more expensive are they working out in the UK against the US?

Hi All,

Davey,

Does that mean that if you get a FAA you can't just do an interview and get a JAA?

Also if you have only an FAA ppl can you not fly in the UK?

Thanks
Matt

I often wonder, about 2 potential problems with learning to fly in the US
1, just susposing you have bad weather there ( it happens ) and you run out
of your holiday time ?
2, have you ever checked with a UK operator, if your US jaa licence is ok for
you, to hire an aircraft from them ?
I read all the positive peoples threads, not many, have swallowed there pride and told of the problems involved, or extra expense.
if your going to fly in the UK, learn in the UK