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drauk 21st Aug 2006 00:50

Fast online Notams
 
The Notam facility at fly.dsc.net is now pretty well tested now and has been very well received. You can use it to get a route brief online in less than 30 seconds. The URL to read more about it is:

http://fly.dsc.net/u/Notams

As explained therein, unfortunately there is no reliable free source of the Notam data which makes the job quite difficult. As such you should be very careful to check the indication at the top of each briefing to see if it is using the current data. And even then, of course, it's not "official".

Both area and route briefs are very quick. It covers quite a few FIR, not just the UK ones. There are lots of output filters and the results are designed to be easy to read. You can also plot whatever you find on a Google Map. Lastly the text briefs have been shown to be useable even on a PDA or Blackberry browser, over a slow connection.

Here's a couple of screen shots.

http://fly.dsc.net/images/mapbrief.png

http://fly.dsc.net/images/textbrief.png

rustle 23rd Aug 2006 20:42

Excellent work again, drauk. :D

Flight planning and graphical NOTAMs in one place ;)

'Chuffer' Dandridge 24th Aug 2006 11:47

Why, oh why can't systems like this be the norm, rather than left to individuals to improve on the 'correct' and 'official' systems available (with no graphical presentation, just reams of text gobbledegook)?

Makes the AIS NOTAM site look pretty inadequate.

Well done to all involved, and I hope the UK AIS suits sit up and see what can be achieved..:D

Chuf :ok:

Ni Thomas 24th Aug 2006 13:00

Thanks it's very useful. Nice work - Clever chap.
But... isn't there always a 'but'? :hmm:
Can it do a route from UK to France?
I ask this as every time I enter EGHH to LFRC I get routed from Bournemouth to some place that makes whiskey - Lamphroig (or sumfink)
Cheers

drauk 24th Aug 2006 13:05


Can it do a route from UK to France?
Yes. Change the country drop down list box from 'UK' to 'Any'.

rustle 24th Aug 2006 13:05


Originally Posted by Ni Thomas
Can it do a route from UK to France?
I ask this as every time I enter EGHH to LFRC I get routed from Bournemouth to some place that makes whiskey - Lamphroig (or sumfink)
Cheers

You need to change the "country" in the top box to plan outside the UK.

Change it to "any" and it will allow you to cross international boundaries.

IO540 24th Aug 2006 13:39

Let's say I do a route from AAA to BBB (where BBB is a navaid) and there is another navaid called BBB in Mongolia (often the case), how is this resolved? The ais.org.uk software picks the nearer one, which seems to work but I am just curious.

Ni Thomas 24th Aug 2006 13:45

Thanks folks - I'm glad that someone does take the time to read the instructions!
An even more useful tool - Good on yer :D

drauk 24th Aug 2006 16:16


Let's say I do a route from AAA to BBB (where BBB is a navaid) and there is another navaid called BBB in Mongolia (often the case), how is this resolved? The ais.org.uk software picks the nearer one, which seems to work but I am just curious.
First off, this is one advantage of picking a country when planning, rather than setting "Any". However, if you're planning a route involving more countries then read on...

Any ambiguities are ultimately resolved by you being shown a list of what matches what you entered and you choosing which you want. If you put in 'LAM' you get the VOR by Stapleford just north of London, but you also get the the NDB in Iran.

It does apply a bit of logic to try to pick the right one for you though. If you've entered a waypoint where there is only one match (as is often the case if you're using Navaids) then it will look for a match for this waypoint in the same country. So for example, if you plan a route from EGTR to LFAT and use LAM as a turning point it will choose the LAM in the UK over the one in Iran. If however you are routing from Tehran to Dubai, it'll choose the NDB in Iran. Using the nearest would also work, but is more work computationally, though not really significantly.

Ultimately this exact thing is the purpose of the very rough and ready graphical representation of your route at the bottom of the plan screen - so you can see if your route looks "sensible". If you're planning Norwich to Southend and the yellow line seems to go to India first you've probably not got the right waypoints.

IO540 24th Aug 2006 17:13

Excellent work Drauk.

Best to not mention this on your CV if applying for a job at NATS though ;)

Another suggestion, along the lines of "in for a penny, in for a pound": airways handling.

EGKK MAY R8 DVR L9 KONAN L607 RUDUS L984 ASKIK Z74 DONIS L603 CHIEM P995 ARNOS P735 GILIN LJLJ

:)

Say again s l o w l y 24th Aug 2006 17:22

That is fantastic, about time I may add. Wake up NATS and others.

Well done! Big pat on the back from me.

drauk 24th Aug 2006 21:58

IO540, as with most things with this stuff, the trouble with airways is the data. If someone gives me the lat/lon of all the airways then it'd be no big deal to add that function. Until then, just enter the VORs that define the airways (which will be okay but for the kinks in them). Actually I guess an intersection database would probably get us most of the way there.

stickandrudderman 25th Aug 2006 07:59

fan-bleedin-tastic!:ok:

Choxolate 25th Aug 2006 09:02

Excellent facility - as they say it is the "Poodles Privates"

Floppy Link 25th Aug 2006 11:54

Cojones del perro

awesome

mark147 25th Aug 2006 19:29


Originally Posted by drauk
IO540, as with most things with this stuff, the trouble with airways is the data. If someone gives me the lat/lon of all the airways then it'd be no big deal to add that function. Until then, just enter the VORs that define the airways (which will be okay but for the kinks in them). Actually I guess an intersection database would probably get us most of the way there.

You can get this information from the Eurocontrol database.
Go to http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/ register for EAD Basic, log in, wait some time for lots of Java to load, select 'SDO reporting', wait another while, then you can generate reports of various things including upper and lower airspace routes.
The routes are not given in lat/long but by referencing navaids / waypoint names which you'd then have to deal with. You can download the database of those too though.

Regards,

Mark

007helicopter 25th Aug 2006 22:09

incredible !!!

gingernut 6th Sep 2006 14:07

Wow, it will improve the safety and enjoyment of my flying.

Bahn-Jeaux 7th Sep 2006 07:06

Just done my QXC and used it to double check my calcs before I set off.
Also downloaded airfield plans for each airfield so no stumbling around for exits and holds when i got there.
Instructor also mightily impressed with it and added to list of favourites.
First class site and facility.

IO540 8th Sep 2006 05:24

IO540, as with most things with this stuff, the trouble with airways is the data. If someone gives me the lat/lon of all the airways then it'd be no big deal to add that function. Until then, just enter the VORs that define the airways (which will be okay but for the kinks in them). Actually I guess an intersection database would probably get us most of the way there.

I see somebody has already answered this so I will just add that it "should" be easy to get all this data, worldwide, because somebody has done an airways overlay for the NASA World World Wind software. It must be there somewhere. I would start with DAFIF but that database will be closed to the public (courtesy of Osama BL) this autumn. After that, EAD Eurocontrol is the next place to look.


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