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Old 12th Apr 2021, 17:06
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Legacy PPLs/NPPLs privelages

A simple question from a friend who has been passed from pillar to post with a simple question which the CAA, LAA and others have provided no clear answer, can somebody assist?

If you possess a legacy UK PPL - i.e one issued by the BOT/DTI/CAA many moons ago, valid for life, before the dreaded EASA or Part FCL/LAPL etc - can you currently (as of right now):

1. Legally fly a Part 21 aircraft (ex EASA type) solo
2. If so, can you do so using a medical declaration?

My friend has been referred to CAA docs which, of course, are the epitome of obfuscation, but nobody has given a simple yes or no.

I don't have a problem as although in the same licencing situation I have a LAA permit aircraft, although I would like to continue to fly Part 21 types in the future.

Any help appreciated.

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Old 12th Apr 2021, 19:06
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ORS 4 1471
Yes until 30/06/2021. The CAA intend to make it permanent, but holding ones breath may be fatal.
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Old 13th Apr 2021, 16:30
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And OSR4 1471 contains significant limitations, that anybody using it should carefully inform themselves about.

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Old 18th Apr 2021, 17:52
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I would imagine your friend has a long term interest in flying a Part 21 aircraft. He can exercise the privileges of that licence using a Medical Declaration but, he cannot exercise the privileges on a Part 21 aircraft, except for the short term exemption contained in ORS 1471 which is to ease the problem of pilots regaining currency but is very limited.

There is another issue if you friend hasn't used his licence for a while, ICAO introduced a requirement for English Language Proficiency to be endorsed on all pilot licences back in 2008 and the CAA reissued all current pilot licences, if he was not current he may not have the ELP endorsement.
He does have the option of obtaining a Part FCL licence if he wants to operate Part 21 aircraft.
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 18:38
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I have a U.K. brown lifetime ppl issued about 1979ish.
Then came the BCPL, Instructor etc. CPL, IR. ATPL...... JAR ... EASA and a different European state flying around in a nice shiney jet.
I was looking into renewing instructor in U.K. changing licence back from non U.K. but with Covid and other things it went a bit bye the bye.
Trying to get info from CAA has been pointless.
Plan B
Just get in the air again with the least amount of fuss and expense so prob just renew ppl and fly around when I get the urge.
Without all the probs and expense with soli can I just somehow renew the old brown torn out of a ticket book ppl, throw ATPL with all the add ons in the bin and fly a Cessna, Piper etc
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Old 19th Apr 2021, 22:30
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Just go to a Flying club (DTO) you can renew on the basis of a Prof Check however; if you want to fly Cessna and Piper etc you will need to get a Part FCL licence. Whilst you could fly non Part 21 aircraft on the old licence you would probably have to get that reissued to add the ELP.
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