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I flew my vintage aeroplane this morning on a required air test after maintenance.
It is not a toy.
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Maintenance companies are still running as this is work that can’t be done from home so there is nothing stopping the maintenance company sending someone to pick up your aircraft or you taking it to the maintenance company. 6.2 (f) that is work of facilitating work.
The bottom line is if social distancing is met then no harm is done and if the worst happens and the police hand you a £30 fine you are £170 up on the deal as an EASA ferry permit is £200.
The bottom line is if social distancing is met then no harm is done and if the worst happens and the police hand you a £30 fine you are £170 up on the deal as an EASA ferry permit is £200.
A and C please read my earlier posts. I agree it is legal for a commercial pilot to be paid to collect your aircraft. But not for you to fly it, because 6.2(f) applies to the person doing the work, not the customer...I am sorry you think of it as saving money. Harm is done. Lockdown is about reducing R0 by reducing population density. If everyone goes out density increases. I started this post to demonstrate a disparity between the law and the CAA. Sadly the discussion has descended into a group who see the benefit of behaving as a community, accepting a loss of liberty for the greater good, and those who see rules as matters to be circumvented.
And apologies Mothminor, I realised my terminology would not be welcomed. I too covet my aircraft, but although it is my prized possession it is just that - a possession. My nurses and medical colleagues are dying on intensive care along with some good friends as patients. I suggest their lives are worth more than even your moth or £170....
And apologies Mothminor, I realised my terminology would not be welcomed. I too covet my aircraft, but although it is my prized possession it is just that - a possession. My nurses and medical colleagues are dying on intensive care along with some good friends as patients. I suggest their lives are worth more than even your moth or £170....
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Nothing that I have or will do in operating my aeroplane has or will make any difference to this virus.
I personally am at risk when I go to the local shop, or take in the mail (both done with extreme caution).
At the airfield, I use gloves to open the gate,hangar doors and fuel pump, sanitising before I leave.
I do not increase anybody`s risk at all.
People are dying because of the virus, not because of me flying my aeroplane (which I have now done the required flight).
Perhaps you should complain about the crowds on Westminster bridge, ignoring social distancing to cheer the nhs.
There are many spreading this virus but you will not find many here.
I personally am at risk when I go to the local shop, or take in the mail (both done with extreme caution).
At the airfield, I use gloves to open the gate,hangar doors and fuel pump, sanitising before I leave.
I do not increase anybody`s risk at all.
People are dying because of the virus, not because of me flying my aeroplane (which I have now done the required flight).
Perhaps you should complain about the crowds on Westminster bridge, ignoring social distancing to cheer the nhs.
There are many spreading this virus but you will not find many here.
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The commercial pilot thing is a red herring, a CPL is only needed to fly for hire & reward as people are free to fly themselves to and from work.
While agreeing with all the social distancing advice and it is difficult to see how in this case the R number will go above zero.
There is also the question of who is going to pay to run the NHS if no one can work ? The money won’t appear out of thin air and the over reaction about what is essential seems to forget that tax revenue is essential to pay for the NHS and people need to work to pay tax.
This lock down as been a boon for the virtue signallers in this world who show off on Facebook & YouTube about how good they are being on their government funded break but some of us are working within the safety guidelines keeping the risks as low as possible and paying the tax that funds this crisis , it is clear this is what the Government intended the lockdown to be.
While agreeing with all the social distancing advice and it is difficult to see how in this case the R number will go above zero.
There is also the question of who is going to pay to run the NHS if no one can work ? The money won’t appear out of thin air and the over reaction about what is essential seems to forget that tax revenue is essential to pay for the NHS and people need to work to pay tax.
This lock down as been a boon for the virtue signallers in this world who show off on Facebook & YouTube about how good they are being on their government funded break but some of us are working within the safety guidelines keeping the risks as low as possible and paying the tax that funds this crisis , it is clear this is what the Government intended the lockdown to be.
A lot of people here seem to want to make more of this than they need. The CAA rules clearly say you can fly to/from a place for maintenance and to collect your aircraft. I cannot see how doing so endangers lives. Eating crap, drinking and smoking does however endanger lives but I bet all the armchair experts on here love those things. The maintenance shop I went to was full of aircraft. They had someone drop one off the day before and others due in. There were 5 or 6 guys working there, lucky them. At least they're getting paid unlike a lot of the population. And that is why I referred to this situation as nonsense. The country cannot survive on benefits but right now that is exactly what is happening with public opinion fuelled by propaganda put out by the BBC. If we carry on for much longer most private business, small and large, will be gone. People need to get back to work and they need to start spending to get the economy going. I just hope GA survives.
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Thank you for that breath of common sense.
People fail to see that until a Coronavirus vaccination or more effective treatment is developed we are all at danger from the virus and there is little we can do to combat it apart from good hygiene and social distancing. So the government has enacted measures to slow the spread of the virus to allow the NHS to not get overloaded and people die from lack of facilities and staff.
Those who are going to die from it are going to die come what may but the current measures mean that no one who can recover will fail to do so because of lack of facilities.
i also think I should post this statement taken from the House of Commons joint human rights committee 08 April.
The ‘lockdown' restriction (Regulation 6) allows for people to leave their homes provided they have a “reasonable excuse”. There is a non-exhaustive list of what could be a reasonable excuse. In order to be proportionate, “reasonable excuse” must be interpreted broadly and in the way that least infringes with the right to private and family life and other civil liberties. The lockdown restriction is supplemented by a ban on almost all public ‘gatherings' of more than two people who are not from the same household.
Any enforcement action taken by the police will need to maintain a close link to the health protection objective of these extraordinary measures. The helpful National Police Chief's Council and College of Policing Guidance makes clear that there is no power to “stop and account”. Therefore, the police should not be intercepting people who they do not suspect to be causing health risks by their behaviour in violation of Regulation 6 or 7. Further steps could be taken to ensure that the enforcement powers are clear and proportionate.
People fail to see that until a Coronavirus vaccination or more effective treatment is developed we are all at danger from the virus and there is little we can do to combat it apart from good hygiene and social distancing. So the government has enacted measures to slow the spread of the virus to allow the NHS to not get overloaded and people die from lack of facilities and staff.
Those who are going to die from it are going to die come what may but the current measures mean that no one who can recover will fail to do so because of lack of facilities.
i also think I should post this statement taken from the House of Commons joint human rights committee 08 April.
The ‘lockdown' restriction (Regulation 6) allows for people to leave their homes provided they have a “reasonable excuse”. There is a non-exhaustive list of what could be a reasonable excuse. In order to be proportionate, “reasonable excuse” must be interpreted broadly and in the way that least infringes with the right to private and family life and other civil liberties. The lockdown restriction is supplemented by a ban on almost all public ‘gatherings' of more than two people who are not from the same household.
Any enforcement action taken by the police will need to maintain a close link to the health protection objective of these extraordinary measures. The helpful National Police Chief's Council and College of Policing Guidance makes clear that there is no power to “stop and account”. Therefore, the police should not be intercepting people who they do not suspect to be causing health risks by their behaviour in violation of Regulation 6 or 7. Further steps could be taken to ensure that the enforcement powers are clear and proportionate.
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A lot of people here seem to want to make more of this than they need. The CAA rules clearly say you can fly to/from a place for maintenance and to collect your aircraft. I cannot see how doing so endangers lives. Eating crap, drinking and smoking does however endanger lives but I bet all the armchair experts on here love those things. The maintenance shop I went to was full of aircraft. They had someone drop one off the day before and others due in. There were 5 or 6 guys working there, lucky them. At least they're getting paid unlike a lot of the population. And that is why I referred to this situation as nonsense. The country cannot survive on benefits but right now that is exactly what is happening with public opinion fuelled by propaganda put out by the BBC. If we carry on for much longer most private business, small and large, will be gone. People need to get back to work and they need to start spending to get the economy going. I just hope GA survives.
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The CAA have posted several temporary changes to regulations regarding licensing and flying during the Covid 19 pandemic. Motor cars have an automatic extension to the MOT for 6 months. But I have yet to see any dispensation for aircraft servicing. My Annual expired end of March and I will need a possible ferry flight to a maintenance base. One always was allowed one journey to the MOT station to get an MOT, even if the MOT was out of date. Has anyone seen any changes to the CAA rules? When we can fly again, what do we do if our servicing is out of date?
a) proceed to a place at which any inspection or maintenance required by virtue of
Article 9(7)(b)(ii) of the Air Navigation Order is to take place;
Before an aircraft flies under ‘A’ Conditions the aircraft and its engines shall be certified as fit for flight.
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You are correct that an annex 2 aircraft administered by the UK CAA does permit an appropriately licensed engineer to issue an “A” conditions ferry permit.
EASA has a much more expensive and involved process for annex 1 aircraft involving issuing a ferry permit and subject to an engineers inspection.
If this was a brexit debate it would be a perfect example of the EU making things far more expensive by producing lots of paperwork that fails in any way to enhance safety.
EASA has a much more expensive and involved process for annex 1 aircraft involving issuing a ferry permit and subject to an engineers inspection.
If this was a brexit debate it would be a perfect example of the EU making things far more expensive by producing lots of paperwork that fails in any way to enhance safety.
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You are correct that an annex 2 aircraft administered by the UK CAA does permit an appropriately licensed engineer to issue an “A” conditions ferry permit.
EASA has a much more expensive and involved process for annex 1 aircraft involving issuing a ferry permit and subject to an engineers inspection.
If this was a brexit debate it would be a perfect example of the EU making things far more expensive by producing lots of paperwork that fails in any way to enhance safety.
EASA has a much more expensive and involved process for annex 1 aircraft involving issuing a ferry permit and subject to an engineers inspection.
If this was a brexit debate it would be a perfect example of the EU making things far more expensive by producing lots of paperwork that fails in any way to enhance safety.
