Flying club ops and Corona virus
Grrrr. I've effectively just been grounded. The flying school only has 2 a/c, one of which is about to go down for a major service. So to reduce the risk of someone bending the other a/c, they are not allowing low hours PPLs like me to fly solo! They require an instructor on board. That is so !@£$%^&* frustrating! Beautiful weather, empty skies, can't fly. And I can't switch schools as they would require a checkride which is also impossible with the social distancing I am obliged to maintain.
That is so !@£$%^&* frustrating! Beautiful weather, empty skies, can't fly. And I can't switch schools as they would require a checkride which is also impossible with the social distancing I am obliged to maintain.
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Looking at Flightradar24 on such a day, what a shame. Especially after so many weeks of cack weather.
My shareoplane is away on annual, but I have no idea how long she'll be stuck with the Maintenance Outfit. Now I'm just hoping for rubbish weather so I don't feel too bad.
My shareoplane is away on annual, but I have no idea how long she'll be stuck with the Maintenance Outfit. Now I'm just hoping for rubbish weather so I don't feel too bad.
Well, at my homefield - which is closed anyway, just like all of my national airspace, except for "essential" flights - there is a house rule that moving a plane in or out of a hangar shall be done by two people, at least, never alone. There are those who think that rule slightly daft, too, but there it is.
He moved my C182 on his own and had to meet the €3.5k hangar rash repair cost. 😡
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Manchester Barton (City Airport) EGCB closed
...and thus all the flying schools have as well.
As of last weekend, my flying school was operating but with extra precautions.
Gutting with the gorgeous weather but safety first (and maybe best to avoid press-on-itis)
As of last weekend, my flying school was operating but with extra precautions.
Gutting with the gorgeous weather but safety first (and maybe best to avoid press-on-itis)
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Here in Northern California, our club re-opened today for solo operations only. Family members are not allowed in the aircraft - best I can tell to avoid the optics. No BFR's, training or checkrides. CFI's are hurting, but the pilot community can maintain basic currency and shake some of the rust off.
Here in Northern California, our club re-opened today for solo operations only. Family members are not allowed in the aircraft
You clean your aircraft completely including removing floor panels and washing with disinfectant that you have approval for. You have a policy for absorbant surfaces that is approved by a virologist.
The reality is you have a contaminated aircraft and you are so selfish you are requiring other people to break isolation or stay-ay-home and put themselves at risk for your selfish hobby. No wonder the US has overtaken China in cases. Every time you do this another person's risk of dying increases. Here in the UK we are struggling to cope, Young healthy people are dying and many healthcare workers will die - one of my OR nurses died yesterday. The US in some states is far worse and California is one of them. I try not to rant on pprune but may i make an exception here please?
So I presume you drive to the airfield never needing to refuel, pay tolls, open gates and never break down. Get the aircraft out single handed. Refuel yourself. Go flying without any maintenance or ATC. Never need support and never have an accident. no food or drink.
You clean your aircraft completely including removing floor panels and washing with disinfectant that you have approval for. You have a policy for absorbant surfaces that is approved by a virologist.
The reality is you have a contaminated aircraft and you are so selfish you are requiring other people to break isolation or stay-ay-home and put themselves at risk for your selfish hobby. No wonder the US has overtaken China in cases. Every time you do this another person's risk of dying increases. Here in the UK we are struggling to cope, Young healthy people are dying and many healthcare workers will die - one of my OR nurses died yesterday. The US in some states is far worse and California is one of them. I try not to rant on pprune but may i make an exception here please?
You clean your aircraft completely including removing floor panels and washing with disinfectant that you have approval for. You have a policy for absorbant surfaces that is approved by a virologist.
The reality is you have a contaminated aircraft and you are so selfish you are requiring other people to break isolation or stay-ay-home and put themselves at risk for your selfish hobby. No wonder the US has overtaken China in cases. Every time you do this another person's risk of dying increases. Here in the UK we are struggling to cope, Young healthy people are dying and many healthcare workers will die - one of my OR nurses died yesterday. The US in some states is far worse and California is one of them. I try not to rant on pprune but may i make an exception here please?
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We're swabbing all surfaces inside the aircraft in between instructional flights. We're checking students are symptom-free. We're swabbing all surfaces in the office and telling visitors to wash their hands before coming in. One issue that's been highlighted - we're using alcohol wipes and 90% alcohol inside the aircraft. Apparently alcohol is REALLY bad news for transparencies. What is everyone else using?
We're planning on carrying on flying training until we're told to stop (or instructors have to self-isolate - one has already, as a precaution due age and underlying issues)
As we're remote from the major population centres, we're thinking that it'll take some time to become prevalent here. We'll see.
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We're planning on carrying on flying training until we're told to stop (or instructors have to self-isolate - one has already, as a precaution due age and underlying issues)
As we're remote from the major population centres, we're thinking that it'll take some time to become prevalent here. We'll see.
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Oh and stop implying you are taking measures you aren't..FFS
Some of these comments are all too harsh, though perhaps well-meant. As it is, I could drive to my homefield, get the plane out of the hangar and ready to fly, take a nice tour in this glorious weather, land at homefield, park and into the hangar, all without ever needing to meet anybody, far less coming with the 5' (1,5 m) "personal distance" that is the new norm over here. Collecting fuel can be done (and normally is) without anybody else near; same would go for road tolls if any applied here.
Yes that is good as long as all goes well, yes. If anything goes wrong I'll need to invoke ambulance, fire brigade, whoever, yes yes. All of those I might just as well need to invoke at home. No difference, really.
Yes that is good as long as all goes well, yes. If anything goes wrong I'll need to invoke ambulance, fire brigade, whoever, yes yes. All of those I might just as well need to invoke at home. No difference, really.
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What do you mean by "swabbing"?
In this fast-moving scenario, as of 23rd March, the date of my previous post, we were following the approved practices. Actually, that was the last day we flew anyway and since then we've ceased all operations, in accordance with current requirements.
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I think you mean DECKS and its a nautical term. I also think you know full well what the term implies in the context of this discussion
I am glad you have ceased under pressure
Jan, I could do the same, but I wouldnt even consider it just to satisfy my own desire for a jolly, I guess everyone has a different idea of what constitutes selfish behaviour .
Well, you are welcome to try and convince me that there would be any degree of improperly selfish behaviour in taking a stroll through the skies. People are doing the exact same thing here on their motorbikes, and I can see no issue with that, either. And I rode some 8 km on my push bike this afternoon, too. Selfish? How so?
Seeing no counter-arguments, I can only appreciate the positive effect of a bit of recreation to my mental health, already much challenged these days, if only by having to do all my professional meetings by phone/internet/skype. Mind you, authorities are actively encouraging moving around for recreation, though they rightly insist on doing so in solitude. One silly minister wanted to limit recreational cycling to some perimeter around one's home but that has been averted.
Above all, let it be clear that the whole discussion is somewhat moot: my airspace and my aerodrome are closed by law, and I will surely abide by the law.
[on a linguistical sidenote: a native speaker of Dutch, and fascinated by linguistics, I suppose the Dutch root referred to is the verb "zwabberen", a cleaning technique which was indeed standard on ships; though not limited to marine use]
Seeing no counter-arguments, I can only appreciate the positive effect of a bit of recreation to my mental health, already much challenged these days, if only by having to do all my professional meetings by phone/internet/skype. Mind you, authorities are actively encouraging moving around for recreation, though they rightly insist on doing so in solitude. One silly minister wanted to limit recreational cycling to some perimeter around one's home but that has been averted.
Above all, let it be clear that the whole discussion is somewhat moot: my airspace and my aerodrome are closed by law, and I will surely abide by the law.
[on a linguistical sidenote: a native speaker of Dutch, and fascinated by linguistics, I suppose the Dutch root referred to is the verb "zwabberen", a cleaning technique which was indeed standard on ships; though not limited to marine use]
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Wow, a few posters are pretty harsh!
We are a community here. Yes, we should mentor best behaviour, but no need to be mean about it!
I agree that social isolation should be everyone's prime objective. And, everyone is entirely welcomed to not do something that they feel puts them self at risk. If you don't want to fly a plane, for fear that the last pilot might have contaminated it, don't fly the plane! If local rules say don't drive anywhere, including the airport, than don't drive anywhere.
For some pilots, an airplane, and the opportunity to fly it, may be possible without involving any other person. If so, and doing so conforms to all of the local rules, that becomes a personal decision. Certainly where I fly, I'd likely not encounter anyone on a normal day, and fewer people than that in these circumstances. I don't plan to do any flying which at all involves interacting with other people directly, until the health rules say it's okay. But, I do plan to fly to maintain my skills, keep the rust out of my planes, and just ease my mind a little....
We are a community here. Yes, we should mentor best behaviour, but no need to be mean about it!
I agree that social isolation should be everyone's prime objective. And, everyone is entirely welcomed to not do something that they feel puts them self at risk. If you don't want to fly a plane, for fear that the last pilot might have contaminated it, don't fly the plane! If local rules say don't drive anywhere, including the airport, than don't drive anywhere.
For some pilots, an airplane, and the opportunity to fly it, may be possible without involving any other person. If so, and doing so conforms to all of the local rules, that becomes a personal decision. Certainly where I fly, I'd likely not encounter anyone on a normal day, and fewer people than that in these circumstances. I don't plan to do any flying which at all involves interacting with other people directly, until the health rules say it's okay. But, I do plan to fly to maintain my skills, keep the rust out of my planes, and just ease my mind a little....
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2. Minor or Major event leading to the need for medical intervention?
You could easily be bringing 100 people into close contact with each sub group.
Still going flying?
As I pointed out before: it is equally possible to require assistance when staying at home. There is not a single zero-risk option except euthanasia. Which requires assistance, too, to do it legally.
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went flying Saturday
great flying weather front just went thru no one around 30 mile radius spent an hour just doodling and enjoying flying at low altitude no one contacted tower during that time, adsb traffic on my garmin 40 mile radius showed 3 other airplanes around. Unfortunately I learned that a 3/4 scale P51 crashed later near the airport. I spoke with the owner the day before, he is in 80s and this project took his entire time for 5 years, test pilot killed. Only restrictions are those coming from multiple states have to report to FBO and placed on quarantine (New York, Louisiana, New Jersey, Washington, Michigan).
great flying weather front just went thru no one around 30 mile radius spent an hour just doodling and enjoying flying at low altitude no one contacted tower during that time, adsb traffic on my garmin 40 mile radius showed 3 other airplanes around. Unfortunately I learned that a 3/4 scale P51 crashed later near the airport. I spoke with the owner the day before, he is in 80s and this project took his entire time for 5 years, test pilot killed. Only restrictions are those coming from multiple states have to report to FBO and placed on quarantine (New York, Louisiana, New Jersey, Washington, Michigan).
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Still going flying?
Don't be silly. The order of magnitude is quite different. A fall at home v a crash across an interstate.
And euthanasia puts others at risk! Before and after you have gone.
Still going flying?
And euthanasia puts others at risk! Before and after you have gone.
Don't be silly.
The order of magnitude is quite different.
As for
a crash across an interstate.