Removal of navaids at Fairoaks, EGTF.
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Removal of navaids at Fairoaks, EGTF.
I received an email today to direct me to the NATS AIS website:
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I was quite surprised to note that the NDB 'FOS 348' and TDME 109.85 become non-functional on 23/04/20. This can't be good news.....is it a cost cutting measure, or something worse?
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I was quite surprised to note that the NDB 'FOS 348' and TDME 109.85 become non-functional on 23/04/20. This can't be good news.....is it a cost cutting measure, or something worse?
I received an email today to direct me to the NATS AIS website:
NATS | AIS - Home
I was quite surprised to note that the NDB 'FOS 348' and TDME 109.85 become non-functional on 23/04/20. This can't be good news.....is it a cost cutting measure, or something worse?
NATS | AIS - Home
I was quite surprised to note that the NDB 'FOS 348' and TDME 109.85 become non-functional on 23/04/20. This can't be good news.....is it a cost cutting measure, or something worse?
That apart how many pilots will tell you “I’ve got GPS, who needs navaids?”
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I received an email today to direct me to the NATS AIS website:
NATS | AIS - Home
I was quite surprised to note that the NDB 'FOS 348' and TDME 109.85 become non-functional on 23/04/20. This can't be good news.....is it a cost cutting measure, or something worse?
NATS | AIS - Home
I was quite surprised to note that the NDB 'FOS 348' and TDME 109.85 become non-functional on 23/04/20. This can't be good news.....is it a cost cutting measure, or something worse?
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Dave, I consider that a separate issue because neither of the navaids I referred to are actually "standalone" VORs. My concern here is about the long term future of EGTF itself. Is this the beginning of the end?
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many pilots will tell you “I’ve got GPS, who needs navaids?”
As to the removal of NDBs and VORs it is a long established pan European plan , and nothing to do with particular airports future..
The planning application for housing on the airfield which was to be decided in March has been 'temporarily' withdrawn pending a re think by the applicant.
So, if the GPS goes down, for example due to conflict or jamming, there is no back up. At least VOR/DME is terrestrial and under control. This is something I've been thinking about for a few years. Must be financial and budget balancing. Very misjudged in my opinion.
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That said, as far as i know VOR and NDBs are scheduled to be decommissioned, DME on the other hand is not, as it is a pretty nifty backup system that is both ground based and more precise than VOR or NDBs.
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Fairoaks, I instructed at Fairoaks in the seventies (Dougie Arnold era). Vor/Dme wtf!!
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LUXURY! I recall doing a VDF approach at NWI in a DC3. It was part of my IR renewal and had a published plate. For QDMs it was easy, but QDR, I used to imagine a huge needle on a n-mile compass rose surrounding the field. The reciprocal mind's eye angle was miles away.
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Could be either a reason to keep the "old stuff", as well as a reason to scrap it?
Could be either a reason to keep the "old stuff", as well as a reason to scrap it?
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Precisely. We are forever being encouraged on one hand by the Authority to plan an alternative option for a navigation aid outage, but on the other hand, they take away that other option.
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"OCK VOR/DME is only a short distance away anyway." but for how long? The aim is to 'rationalise' the DVORs in the UK, and many, including OCK, are well on the way to full removal from any AIP dependency.